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Initial post: Dec 12, 2012 3:51:31 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
We wonder why Washington is in a mess and how we got to where we are. So do two of my patients who are worried to death about the debt and the future of our country (economic, moral and liberty). He is 98 and she is 96. They watch the news and are overwhelmed with grief and anxiety!

These, members of the last of America's greatest generation, are givers and not takers. They understand the difference between help and care given from mercy, grace and love and an entitlement.

Our generation has lost this sense of gratitude, stewardship and responsibility.

Why is Washington so dysfunctional - they represent us and who we are. And when we look towards the capital we should see ourselves.

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Posted on Dec 12, 2012 4:03:29 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 12, 2012 4:04:32 PM PST
Who are the "takers", exactly, what are they taking, and from whom?

I cannot help but note that the top 1% have seen their profits and wealth skyrocket while everyone else's incomes have been flat or fallen, and our middle class has shrunk in the process. I see organized labor under attack, while some in power demand that the taxes for the rich remain untouched while those of the poor are fair game.

This game of "Fiscal Cliff Chicken is absurd"... and it doesn't help things that the "Tea Party" is demanding we careen over that cliff, with those they are beholden to going along.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 4:22:55 PM PST
TheWindMoves says:
Here's a couple of items that cropped up in the last couple of days ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion/2012/12/11/0e533bf0-43d7-11e2-9648-a2c323a991d6_story.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/halahtouryalai/2012/12/12/final-thought-on-hsbc-settlement-how-much-bad-behavior-will-we-tolerate/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 4:33:33 PM PST
A Customer says:
Socialism always sounds so nice as long as *someone else* (i.e. "the 1%", those "millionaires and billionaires" Obama demonizes) is paying for it.

But it never works out that way, the middleclass always gets nailed with the bill through direct taxes and job killing corporate taxes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2012/12/12/medical-device-tax-hypocrites/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 5:30:37 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Michael

There is a difference between taking and receiving that which is freely given in love. It is the difference between the Church described in Acts after Pentecost and communism or even social democracy.

During the Great Depression there was no social safety net. And people understood that the help they received from others was a blessed gift of love and not an entitlement. They understood this even when the government was the giver on behalf of others. It is not just the transaction but the spirit of the giver and receiver that is the thing for both bless and are blessed by one another.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 5:41:47 PM PST
they are politicians not statesmen nor patriots any more

priorities:
reelection
party power
make money

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 5:42:32 PM PST
there is a difference between believin ghte bible and the popes lies

also between freedom and telling others what they have to do with their bodies

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 6:20:36 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Hoss,

Me thinks you have fallen off that horse you rode in one one too many times.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 6:22:25 PM PST
G. J. Stein says:
Michael Altarriba says: "...some in power demand that the taxes for the rich remain
untouched while those of the poor are fair game."

The so called poor in America have nothing to worry about, it's the middle class that's
going to shoulder the consequential burden of Quantitative Easing, and Obamacare.

Anyone up for a One World Government yet; ya know, like the EU but global?
It's coming. The bankruptcy of the USA was a necessary move towards it;
both parties involved.

Now the only problem is how to trim off about a third of the surplus population to
make things more manageable...

...WWIII

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 6:23:57 PM PST
"It's coming. The bankruptcy of the USA was a necessary move towards it;
both parties involved.

Now the only problem is how to trim off about a third of the surplus population to
make things more manageable...

...WWIII"

I've never been a big fan of dystopia fiction.

Posted on Dec 12, 2012 6:24:41 PM PST
" andthehorseirodeinontoo? says:
they are politicians not statesmen nor patriots any more
priorities:
reelection
party power
make money "

As much as it pains me to admit it, Horsie has it right on the head. As our political system is currently set up, you have to be a multi-millionaire to even run for any office above the county clerk level. So there is zero opportunity for the average citizen to be elected into a higher office and actually represent "regular people". And that goes for both parties.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:16:05 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Glad

We elect them. They reflect us as a whole (not certain individuals but as a whole society) and Hoss' correct observation can be boiled down to selfishness, greed, and loss of the truth of God.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:26:45 PM PST
you are the one pushing the popes lies in the christian forum
put that WOB stuff in the rcc forum

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:28:25 PM PST
We elect from the dismally limited choices dictated to us by the State-sponsored two-party system. Until we can break that chain, there is no chance of meaningful change in this country, IMO.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:28:33 PM PST
pretty much

but they LIE
tell us they will do what we want to fix things
but when they get there they do the original observations

and too many of them have really stupid constituency that thinks the govt creates wealth and can give them freebies without any problems

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:31:04 PM PST
Nope, it'll be completely drug-resistant superviruses that will clear the place out.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:35:57 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
Since this couple is undoubtedly receiving Social Security and is on Medicare, how are they not "takers" by the definition employed by the Ryan Republicans during the election?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:39:12 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
MG: During the Great Depression there was no social safety net. And people understood that the help they received from others was a blessed gift of love and not an entitlement.

SK: Seriously, dude, you need to brush up on both history and economics. The wretched condition of the poor and seniors during the depression was exactly why the social safety net of Social Security and Home Relief (as welfare was then called) were enacted. Please don't tell me you are having nostalgia for the depression of the 1930s.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:39:48 PM PST
They're part of that damnable 47% that lost the election for Romney! LOL!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:41:38 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
The U.S. isn't bankrupt and you obviously don't understand that the central bank's use of quantitative easement helped us avoid a depression. I already gave you that information in a different thread. You don't learn very easily, do you?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:42:09 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:42:56 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
Yes, you elected the Tea Party and that's why we're in this mess. Don't blame the rest of us who voted for rational lawmakers.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 7:43:40 PM PST
S. Kessler says:
Exactly!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 8:10:18 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
S Kessler

Taking and receiving are different. One may receive in the spirit of joy and thanksgiving but can one take in that spirit? One receives a gift but takes boot.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 8:11:12 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
You miss my point. These things were not viewed as entitlements by the ones who were helped.
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