Rolling stones wrote: "I can show Christian documents from as early as around 200 AD that proves Jews never believed what you claim they did about Isaiah's prophecies."
The secular writer Josephus identified Vespasian as the messianic ruler of the world who was widely expected in the first century. Since the writings of Josephus were subsidized by Vespasian and his son Titus, it may well be that Josephus was stroking the egos of his patrons. It is very likely that the later historians Tacitus and Suetonius were influenced by what Josephus had written.
On the soc.history.ancient newsgroup, Christopher Ingham provided the following two references from Josephus : The Jewish War Books III-IV (Loeb Classical Library No. 487) and from Tacitus: Histories, Books IV-V, Annals Books I-III (Loeb Classical Library No. 249)
Josephus (_BJ_312-13; Loeb ed.): "What more than all else incited them [the Jews] to the war was an ambiguous oracle, likewise found in their sacred scriptures, to the effect that at that time one from their country would become ruler of the world. This they understood to mean someone of their own race, and many of their wise men went astray in their interpretation of it. The oracle, however, in reality signified the sovereignty of Vespasian, who was proclaimed emperor on Jewish soil. For all that, it is impossible for men to escape their fate, even though they foresee it."
Tacitus (_Hist._5.13; Loeb ed.): "Prodigies had indeed occurred [...]. Contending hosts were seen meeting in the skies, arms flashed,, and suddenly the temple [in Jerusalem] was ilumined with fire from the clouds. [...] Few interpreted these omens as fearful; the majority firmly believed that their ancient priestly writings contained the prophecy that this was the very time when the East should grow strong and that men starting from Judea should possess the world. This mysterious prophecy had in reality pointed to Vespasian and Titus, but the common people, as is the way of human ambition, interpreted these great destinies in their own favour, and could not be turned to the truth even by adversity."
In the Chapter on Vespasian in "Lives of the Caesars" (trans by Catharine Edwards), Oxford (2000) Lives of the Caesars (Oxford World's Classics) , Suetonius wrote the following:
"According to an old and established belief widespread throughout the East, it was fated that at that time men coming from Judaea would take control of the world. This prediction, which events later revealed to concern the Roman emperor, the Jews took to refer to themselves and rebelled [...]" [pp. 262-263]
From the above we can conclude that, when Josephus and the later two historians wrote their books, secular writers did not view Jesus as the messianic ruler of the world who was widely expected in the first century.
Recent discussions in the Christianity forum
AnnouncementAmazon Discussions Feedback Forum
|620||Feb 14, 2015|
|How to tell true Born Again Christians from the Counterfeits...Part Five||7815||2 minutes ago|
|Our Redemption Draweth Nigh... God's Prophetic clock is counting down!||1212||6 minutes ago|
|Things Biblegod can't do||100||11 minutes ago|
|For those against homosexuality -- Can you justify your position WITHOUT using the Bible?||1986||14 minutes ago|
|Humans did NOT evolve from Apes...2||1512||16 minutes ago|
|Catholicism is based on Jesus Christ- Part 9||9599||17 minutes ago|
|On Easter Sunday 2015, The Light Will Shine In The Darkness||23||26 minutes ago|
|Can Christianity be saved from the harm done by Literalist ID/Creationist End Times fundies: Part the Seventh||7878||26 minutes ago|
|Walmart wants to make our Easter Gay.||1||31 minutes ago|
|Problems with Anti-Catholicism: Who is the REAL "666"?||2523||50 minutes ago|
|Two Adams in Genesis||415||57 minutes ago|