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the sabbath is still saturday. why do people believe the lie that old pope started because the roman emperor told him to do it.


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Initial post: Nov 4, 2012 9:17:38 PM PST
the sabbath was supposedly changed from saturday to sunday by some old pope. he did it cause the rcc worked with the roman emperors for their mutal benefit and the emperor told the pope to do it.

the true sabbath is still saturday.
most people never investigate to see how/why it got changed erroneously.

the prots split off the whore of babylon but still keep many of the pagan practices and still use the wrong day to worship for some odd reason.

if you claim to be a christian you need to keep saturday as the sabbath day.

Posted on Nov 4, 2012 9:24:00 PM PST
uncfanjustin says:
Agree. You cant pick and choose which laws to follow.

Seems like an easy transition to go back to saturday worship for christians...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2012 9:25:00 PM PST
And how would that make the world a better place?

Posted on Nov 4, 2012 9:32:45 PM PST
uncfanjustin says:
It doesnt...

Where in the previous posts mentions the world would be a better place??

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2012 9:39:06 PM PST
If it doesn't make the world a better place it isn't worth the bother.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2012 9:57:01 PM PST
DocMMV says:
Seriously?
You need help, bud.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 8:24:55 PM PST
yet they dont

just believe the lies the pagan religions and pope/emperors told people instead of readign the bible and seeing for themselves

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 8:25:20 PM PST
clearly most of us disagree with you

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 8:34:54 PM PST
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Jesus4us says:
DocMMV says:
Seriously?
You need help, bud.

horsie: clearly most of us disagree with you

spl: LOL! I agree with him! ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 9:48:15 PM PST
M. Simonson says:
Saturday remains the Sabbath. Sunday is a perfectly fine day for Christians to gather in fellowship. If they want to say they gather on Sunday to honor a tradition that's fine.

Paul tells us "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Paul could not say this if Sabbath worship was still required nor could he have said it if Sunday was a new mandatory worship day.

The 10 commandments are part of a covenant with Israel but not part of a covenant with the church. I still think it's odd though that every org I know of that insists on Saturday worship like the SDA or the Christian Identity movement is cultic.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 10:25:40 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 11:25:41 PM PST
Jesus4us says:
Paul tells us "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Paul could not say this if Sabbath worship was still required nor could he have said it if Sunday was a new mandatory worship day.

spl: That pretty much ends this thread.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2012 11:39:57 PM PST
Horse,

And not celebrate as the Apostles did in Acts, on the 1st day?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 12:16:12 AM PST
. says:
Go ahead and convert to Judaism. In this country, it's totally your call.

What you call "Sunday" is to other Christians "Kyriake" the Lord's Day, or "Voskresenie" Russian for Resurrection Day, or any host of other languages that call your "Sunday" the Paschal Resurrection Day.

See, Christians believe that Christ Jesus rose from the dead, trampled down death and bestowed life on those in the tombs. So that day is very important to us.

Please note the time frame of the Resurrection of Christ which was after the Jewish Sabbath.

Thanks and have a Happy Thanksgiving.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 5:30:29 AM PST
emmenar2 says:
andthehorseirodeinontoo? says:
>>the true sabbath is still saturday.<<

I agree with you. Still, good luck getting anywhere with christiandom on this. I have been talking to people about "Saturday is the sabbath" for years, and I have gotten precisely nowhere (well, I think I have convinced ONE person--so not quite "nowhere"). Christians don't want to hear it. Really, though, I do not believe the sabbath even applies to christians, as the sabbath was given to Israel, and is a Jewish observance. Regardless of that, the sabbath is Saturday, NOT Sunday.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 5:36:18 AM PST
emmenar2 says:
Justina says:
>>Please note the time frame of the Resurrection of Christ which was after the Jewish Sabbath<<

Not true, though certainly the predominant belief. Jesus arose on the Jewish sabbath. Pull out a concordance, and you will see that, in the Greek, we have the word sabbath. No doubt to accord with prevailing beliefs of the translators, "one of the sabbaths" was changed to "first day of the week."

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 6:24:35 AM PST
. says:
Nope, Kyriake is the eighth day through the sacraments began by Christ Himself.

Early Christians were mostly Jews, who went to synagogue, but they could not do there what Christ commanded of them, so they did it on the day of His resurrection, on the evening after the Sabbath, which by Jewish time reckoning is the following day. On the cross and dead before the Jewish sabbath, three days in the tomb, then Resurrection.

Part of partaking in the sacrament of the Eucharist is to attend services the evening before, which is actually the next day. The new day begins at sundown.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 7:26:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 22, 2012 11:59:49 AM PST
and, Actually, the apostles began to worship on the first day of the week, Sunday, as Jesus Conquered sin and death and made all things new on this day of renewal. (Acts 20:7). Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour and His Church built on Peter the rock

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 8:12:01 AM PST
barbW says:
Christians WANT to be be different from the Jews. Maybe they feel embarrassed when they've learned the history?

Posted on Nov 22, 2012 8:12:11 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
It may be to do with what happened at Jesus' execution.

He was executed on Friday before sundown. The scriptures tell us that some women went to his tomb early on "...the first day of the week". However, the Passover that year fell on a Sabbath, so the following day (our Sunday) was deemed to be a Sabbath also - making the actual Sabbath period two days' long. So the first day of the week (first day after the Sabbath rest period) was a Monday. Take that, plus six days of work and the seventh day in the Christian era will be a Sunday.

There are some who see the change as Jesus being the perfect reflection of Jehovah's glory - as a moon (Monday) reflects the light of the sun (Sunday) - but I don't know how powerful a motive that was in the early years.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 8:25:28 AM PST
barbW says:
They knew that the Moon reflects the Sun?

It's curious that these two and a half days is a good approximation for how long the Sun 'stops' on the solstices.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 11:53:33 AM PST
dont think so

the pope changed the sabbath to sunday at the demand of some roman emperor

the prots split off and kept the wrong day

the sabbath is saturday
sunday is just a day some pope declared a replacement because the roman emperors found it convenient to them

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 11:54:44 AM PST
you need to understand all the meanings of sabbath

there is the weekly one
but there was another one around passover
and maybe other times

Jesus was crucified on thursday
not friday

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 11:59:59 AM PST
and, Actually, the apostles began to worship on the first day of the week, Sunday, as Jesus Conquered sin and death and made all things new on this day of renewal. (Acts 20:7). Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour and His Church built on Peter the rock

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 22, 2012 3:51:53 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 22, 2012 3:56:06 PM PST
emmenar2 says:
Matthew L. Broderick says:
>>"...Actually, the apostles began to worship on the first day of the week..."<<

Matthew, YOUR translation of Acts 20:7 may say "first day of the week," but the original language of inspiration says "one of the sabbaths." Know this: "first day of the week" CONTRADICTS the very Word of God. God said "one of the sabbaths." Will you STILL try to lead others to think that God said "first day of the week"? The sabbath is Saturday, NOT Sunday.
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