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Initial post: Feb 24, 2013 8:35:05 PM PST
LDSaint says:
There are many churches on the earth today. Many of them believe the Bible to be the word of God. Each of them seems to have a different interpretation of the Bible. There are many ways the Bible can be interpreted. We believe the Church of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth by Jesus Christ in these latter days through the latter day prophet Joseph Smith. We also believe the Book of Mormon clarifies the Bible to give a better understanding of Jesus Christ's Church.

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 8:37:45 PM PST
LDSaint says:
(Book of Mormon | Preface Title Page:Heading - 2)

THE
BOOK OF MORMON

AN ACCOUNT WRITTEN BY
THE HAND OF MORMON
UPON PLATES
TAKEN FROM THE PLATES OF NEPHI

1 Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites-Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile-Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation-Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed-To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof-Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile-The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.
2 An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven-Which is to show unto the remnant of the House of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever-And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations-And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

TRANSLATED BY JOSEPH SMITH, JUN.

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 8:38:37 PM PST
LDSaint says:
(Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith Preface:Heading - 1:13)

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535-541



1 WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

JOSEPH SMITH.

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 8:43:52 PM PST
LDSaint says:
(Pearl of Great Price | JS-History 1:11 - 20)

11 While I was laboring under the extreme difficulties caused by the contests of these parties of religionists, I was one day reading the Epistle of James, first chapter and fifth verse, which reads: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
12 Never did any passage of scripture come with more power to the heart of man than this did at this time to mine. It seemed to enter with great force into every feeling of my heart. I reflected on it again and again, knowing that if any person needed wisdom from God, I did; for how to act I did not know, and unless I could get more wisdom than I then had, I would never know; for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible.
13 At length I came to the conclusion that I must either remain in darkness and confusion, or else I must do as James directs, that is, ask of God. I at length came to the determination to "ask of God," concluding that if he gave wisdom to them that lacked wisdom, and would give liberally, and not upbraid, I might venture.
14 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.
15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God. I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.
16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction-not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being-just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other-This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)-and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof."
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, "Never mind, all is well-I am well enough off." I then said to my mother, "I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true." It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy?

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 8:47:24 PM PST
LDSaint says:
(Pearl of Great Price | JS-History 1:21 - 25)

21 Some few days after I had this vision, I happened to be in company with one of the Methodist preachers, who was very active in the before mentioned religious excitement; and, conversing with him on the subject of religion, I took occasion to give him an account of the vision which I had had. I was greatly surprised at his behavior; he treated my communication not only lightly, but with great contempt, saying it was all of the devil, that there were no such things as visions or revelations in these days; that all such things had ceased with the apostles, and that there would never be any more of them.
22 I soon found, however, that my telling the story had excited a great deal of prejudice against me among professors of religion, and was the cause of great persecution, which continued to increase; and though I was an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age, and my circumstances in life such as to make a boy of no consequence in the world, yet men of high standing would take notice sufficient to excite the public mind against me, and create a bitter persecution; and this was common among all the sects-all united to persecute me.
23 It caused me serious reflection then, and often has since, how very strange it was that an obscure boy, of a little over fourteen years of age, and one, too, who was doomed to the necessity of obtaining a scanty maintenance by his daily labor, should be thought a character of sufficient importance to attract the attention of the great ones of the most popular sects of the day, and in a manner to create in them a spirit of the most bitter persecution and reviling. But strange or not, so it was, and it was often the cause of great sorrow to myself.
24 However, it was nevertheless a fact that I had beheld a vision. I have thought since, that I felt much like Paul, when he made his defense before King Agrippa, and related the account of the vision he had when he saw a light, and heard a voice; but still there were but few who believed him; some said he was dishonest, others said he was mad; and he was ridiculed and reviled. But all this did not destroy the reality of his vision. He had seen a vision, he knew he had, and all the persecution under heaven could not make it otherwise; and though they should persecute him unto death, yet he knew, and would know to his latest breath, that he had both seen a light and heard a voice speaking unto him, and all the world could not make him think or believe otherwise.
25 So it was with me. I had actually seen a light, and in the midst of that light I saw two Personages, and they did in reality speak to me; and though I was hated and persecuted for saying that I had seen a vision, yet it was true; and while they were persecuting me, reviling me, and speaking all manner of evil against me falsely for so saying, I was led to say in my heart: Why persecute me for telling the truth? I have actually seen a vision; and who am I that I can withstand God, or why does the world think to make me deny what I have actually seen? For I had seen a vision; I knew it, and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it, neither dared I do it; at least I knew that by so doing I would offend God, and come under condemnation.

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 8:55:38 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2013 9:08:08 PM PST
LDSaint says:
This is a synopsis of what we believe and how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints came to be. This thread is here to help overcome some of the misinformation which has been posted on the internet. I welcome any questions you may have, however I believe that adding derogatory statements without explanatory reasoning does not add anything to the conversation.

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 9:10:57 PM PST
LDSaint says:
(Book of Mormon | Preface 3 Witnesses:Heading - 8 Witnesses:1)

THE TESTIMONY OF THREE WITNESSES

1 BE IT KNOWN unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

OLIVER COWDERY
DAVID WHITMER
MARTIN HARRIS


THE TESTIMONY OF EIGHT WITNESSES

1 BE IT KNOWN unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.

CHRISTIAN WHITMER
HIRAM PAGE
JACOB WHITMER
JOSEPH SMITH, SEN.
PETER WHITMER, JUN.
HYRUM SMITH
JOHN WHITMER
SAMUEL H. SMITH

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2013 9:27:02 PM PST
Why go looking for trouble?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2013 9:37:07 PM PST
you are entitled to believe any pagan nonsense you all made up
just like the rcc sheeple believe the lies the whore of babylons pope feeds them

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2013 9:42:02 PM PST
LDSaint says:
I am not looking for trouble, I am just trying to overcome some bad press. And help people gain a better understanding of the LDS Church.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2013 9:50:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2013 9:54:55 PM PST
LDSaint says:
I am not trying to make up anything, however I believe the Bible to be a polytheistic book. There are many places in the Bible that refers to God in the plural sense. Here is one:

(Old Testament | Genesis 3:22)

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of ""us"", to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

And another:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 22)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in ""us:"" that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as ""we"" are one:

Posted on Feb 25, 2013 5:38:18 AM PST
LDSaint says:
The pronouns "we" and "us" are plural pronouns. However the Father is our one God and the God and Father of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 6:22:30 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
If mormonism had been by God's Spirit, then it would be a wonderful thing. But if it is actually contrived and yet declares itself to be from Heaven, then it is a sin against the Holy Spirit.

The ultimate plea for credence is to say that nothing is impossible with God; however, in view of the notion of the apostle John living until the 1820s and beyond, of historical events with no archaeology, of the mention of a land replete not with cattle, but oxen (!), of swords made of steel 700 years before the first documented examples, and the doctrinal claims to the history of God's entity, I would be worried if I were a mormon. The unforgiveable sin is so, precisely because it places words in God's mouth as to the "divine" source of what is really man-made.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:14:11 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 25, 2013 7:15:26 AM PST
LDSaint says:
The Book of Mormon was translated from the gold plates using an instrument of God called the Urim and Thummim. It was translated in just 60 days by Joseph Smith. He was 23 years old when the Book of Mormon was finished. Having read the Book of Mormon I believe it to be scripture from God and a history of the people who lived here in the Americas. Many people have said there is a lack of archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. I believe that much of that evidence was destroyed by earthquakes and other catastrophes. Faith does not come through proof. Neither is lack of evidence proof that something did not exist.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:30:48 AM PST
yo ucan believe any lies yo uwant

clearly your belief is false basedon the source you reference and your statement about it

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:31:27 AM PST
can you show us those plates

can you prove joe smith was not high on drugs

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:49:01 AM PST
LDSaint says:
You have a right to your beliefs. I have a source for my beliefs which is the Book of Mormon. Have you read the Book of Mormon?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:49:10 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
Gaylen,

Proof is not the issue: what is true, is true and what is false, false.

The issue in this case is not proof, but that to sin against the holy spirit is unforgiveable, and not worth any pretense.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:55:53 AM PST
LDSaint says:
No I can't show anyone the plates. And no I can't prove Joseph Smith was not high on drugs. It is my opinion that he was not on drugs or any other things that were harmful to the body.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 8:05:02 AM PST
LDSaint says:
I believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. I also believe the organization of God's Church would be as stated in the Bible:

(New Testament | Ephesians 2:18 - 22)

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Posted on Feb 25, 2013 8:21:45 AM PST
Easter Lily says:
No, you aren't the restored church.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 8:24:52 AM PST
LDSaint says:
You can believe whatever you like. I welcome any questions you may have, however I believe that adding derogatory statements without explanatory reasoning does not add anything to the conversation.

Posted on Feb 25, 2013 8:55:14 AM PST
Job Trainer says:
Gaylen,

If the LDS religion is truly the "restored church", why do all LDS sacrament services use only plain water and leavened bread? The LDS sacrament cannot be a "remembering of Christ's atonement" because it rejects the symbols instructed by Jesus to represent the blood and body of Christ.

Evidence: The first miracle Christ performed after announcing the "honorable year of the Lord" and beginning His mission was to turn water to wine at the wedding. Why? Because "the law" prior to Christ was that water was to be used ritually to cleanse the exterior of the worshipper's body and the sacrifice of a perfect young animal provided the token "blood" for spiritual cleansing.

The holiness of fruit of the vine is declared over and over throughout the old testament--in fact, it is central to the story of Samson. Juice of the vine is declared repeatedly to be holy, and symbolic of blood. Like Samson, Christ never ate or drank of the fruit of the vine during His life, except Samson did embibe leading to his destruction. Christ turned the water to wine at the wedding as a way to symbolically announce that His blood had arrived on earth to be given in final atonement for our sins.

This is why, at the Last Supper, Jesus very clearly and explicitly served the wine, and the unleavened "flatbread," to his Disciples telling them to "eat and drink in rememberence of me." So how can water and store-bought sandwich bread be a restoration of the holy instruction Jesus Christ gave on the eve before his crucifixion began? And please don't recount the story of how an attempt was made to kill the Saints by poisoning a shipment of grape juice (or was it really wine?) before they left Missouri so Joseph Smith had another epiphany and decided only water would be used for sacrement henceforth. That would be admitting that the true restoration required juice of the vine to be used for the sacrament. So what is the real reason water and store-bought sandwich bread broken into little pieces is used in every sacrament even today? And don't you feel, even to the smallest degree, that it mocks Christ's Atonement?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 9:18:44 AM PST
LDSaint says:
While it is true that wine is a better representation of the blood of Jesus Christ it is not necessary to use it to represent His blood. He said:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 27:2 - 4)

2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory-remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins.
3 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, that you shall not purchase wine neither strong drink of your enemies;
4 Wherefore, you shall partake of none except it is made new among you; yea, in this my Father's kingdom which shall be built up on the earth.

Wine can still be used as long as it is not fermented. Of John the Baptist it was said:

(New Testament | Luke 1:15)

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:29:06 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
I have the feeling that this thread is a reaction to the way the "'Book of Mormon' is a fraud..." thread is proving painful to your church's reputation (there may be an element of opportunism, as the catholic church is not flavour of the month right now. ) A new thread which makes a great claim and takes the high ground places you in the position of authority, even if self-assumed, and doubtless you will adopt the attitude appropriately.

But there is a great deal of difference to jousting in debate and making claims of Divine backing as the successor on earth of Christ's own church. To steal from our Lord is no small thing, and his church is his. That sin is repeated with every authoritative claim of holy spirit and every nonsensical doctrine which you feel - as un-disprovable - comfortable to declare.

Jousting is an adolescent pass-time, but these claims are different, and both presumptuous and dangerous to make. I would implore you - please - to withdraw this. Give the glory to God and stop claiming a portion of it for your church as your church leaders have done so for long enough. Go and live peacefully with your beliefs rather than in fear over the consequences of your ambition.
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