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Initial post: May 24, 2012 3:54:13 AM PDT
Ryan says:
I was thinking that 'Morality' is eroding in America. That we ought to do a better job of teaching it in schools. Wondering how you might go about doing that I looked for a definition. Seems like there isnt one, just a lot of opinions.

When I was in school, back in the sixties we had lots of immorality to be wary of. Sex before marriage, infidelity, divorce, homosexuality, pornography, nudity, contraception, abortion.

Heck what's left.? all those old time immoralities have become normal.

What does morality mean anymore..?

I went to a Catholic school.

Posted on May 24, 2012 4:20:15 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 24, 2012 4:22:00 AM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Krystal: Heck what's left.? all those old time immoralities have become normal.
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Try a chili dog or a Boston steamer

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 4:43:50 AM PDT
BV says:
Krystal - "all those old time immoralities have become normal"

That's what happens when we try to define morality ourselves. For example in one country it may be "moral" for a man to grab a woman's butt, while in another country it's not.

The only way to know what absolute morality is, which many people will say does not exist, is to go by the standards set down by God. Those standards NEVER change.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 5:13:54 AM PDT
anne says:
BV: <The only way to know what absolute morality is . . . is to go by the standards set down by God.>

anne: What standards did god set down?

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 5:37:20 AM PDT
BV says:
A good summation would be the ten commandments. But there are many more in the NT.

I don't choose to reference the OT on this thread (other than the 10 commandments), since people grasping at straws will automatically go to Leviticus or Deuteronomy, and bring up stonings and such - please argue those with a Jewish person.

Posted on May 24, 2012 5:42:20 AM PDT
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Brian Curtis says:
Each culture defines morality its own way, and those definitions shift as the culture progresses. If you want your moral ideas to be more prominent, speak up for them and explain what makes them good and beneficial to people.

One bit of advice, though: get over the notion that your personal standards define the word "morality," and that everyone else is necessarily "immoral." Nobody's going to listen to you with that attitude.

Posted on May 24, 2012 5:46:08 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 5:49:08 AM PDT
anne says:
BV: <The only way to know what absolute morality is . . . is to go by the standards set down by God.>

anne: <What standards did god set down?>

BV: < the ten commandments. But there are many more >

anne: Could you be more specific, please? I was hoping for a list similar to the one in the opening post, like, "god says it is not moral to lie, steal, cheat, or murder".

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 6:43:10 AM PDT
Vicki says:
Dear Krystal,

I don't think that teaching morality in schools is the answer. After all, the moral decay that you speak of us in the schools, too. Our culture promotes moral decay in books, magazines, TV, movies, in the lives of political figures and other celebrities, in our laws, and if we are honest moral decay is a problem a lot closer to home than we would like to admit.

Moral decay is a symptom of the state of our hearts. So, the solution would need to be something that would change our hearts from the inside out. IMO, that solution to our heart problem would be Jesus Christ, and then making the faith choices that God calls us to make.

Posted on May 24, 2012 7:00:13 AM PDT
Sean B says:
Good point Vicky, and thanks for bringing up the discussion Krystal, for morality and integrity is all but swept away.

Schools are not the answer, but part of the problem. Vicky said Jesus Christ is the answer, and repentance is the only way out of any mess. Families are the answer - as we teach and encourage each other as a united bulwark against the tide of filth and bad examples all about us.

Rather than point back to the 10 Commandments, which are as relevant today as they ever were, I think we should focus on the higher law given in the sermon on the mount, especially the "Golden Rule." This on simple axiom would repair most of our troubles.

I believe that when the earth is fully ripe in iniquity, the Savior will return and sort out all people, you and I, into the sheep and goats, those who love and serve God and those who love sin more than God.

While there is yet time, let us repent.

This includes:
*admitting wrongdoing to ourselves
*feeling sincere sorrow
*confessing our sins to God and asking God to forgive us
*making restitution where we are able
*forsaking our sins and striving with all our heart, might, mind, and strength to keep God's commandments

As we are vigilant, humble, prayerful, and study God's word, God will come to our aid. He will forgive us and we will have no cause to fear. Peace and sublime joy will be ours while the world gropes like the blind for the wall. We can have eternal life with our families, worlds without end.

(I'm teaching a lesson on repentance in our Sunday School class this Sunday [I go to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints], so I've been pondering all of this all week in preparation).

Sean

Posted on May 24, 2012 8:45:59 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
So, a lot of you seem to be assuming that "morality" is the property of religion--and specifically, Christianity. Is that accurate?

Posted on May 24, 2012 9:21:14 AM PDT
BV says:
Brian - "Is that accurate?"

Property? Religion? No, not accurate at all.

God sets the standards for morality. Since God created all people, including Muslims, Christians, Pagans, Atheists, etc., religion, or lack thereof, has no bearing on it.

Of course, what religion you follow may affect your thoughts on what God wants, but that doesn't change what He DOES want.

It's like, whether I believe the mugger really has a gun in his pocket or not doesn't change if he REALLY DOES!

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 9:21:54 AM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<What does morality mean anymore..?>>

treating others as you'd want to be treated.

it's a radical notion, i know. :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 9:42:23 AM PDT
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RKG says:
morality is eroding in america? that depends on which side of the fence you place yourself.

you draw reference to the the 60s as some apparent golden age against which others should be measured. i would hazard a guess that african americans would disagree with you about america being a moral society... but then again perhaps i could be wrong

imo - america has not been a particular moral society - anymore so than any other. hypocritical - yep! moral -nope!

morality it seems to me have meant and still continues to mean - my view of how things should be are to be adhered to.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 9:56:16 AM PDT
Nick says:
Krystal writes: I was thinking that 'Morality' is eroding in America.

Nick: Yes, can we please return to the good old days when whites could own blacks, when Japanese-Americans could be forcibly placed in internment camps, when a husband could not be tried for raping his wife because, after all, she was his property, when women didn't have the right to vote or get out of abusive relationships, when children worked in factories, when the legal age of marriage for females in some states was 8, when gays and lesbians were thrown into asylums and were forcibly subjected to electroshock therapy or hysterectomies, when blacks couldn't drink from the same water fountains as whites, when crimes against blacks (or gays) were overlooked because, after all, they had it coming, etc.

Morality hasn't eroded. Morals have changed.

"Do not say, 'Why is it that the former days were better than these?' For it is not from wisdom that you ask about this." - Ecclesiastes 7:10

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:02:34 AM PDT
Exactly.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:24:43 AM PDT
""I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint"
-- Hesiod, 8th century BC

People have been complaining about the erosion of morality for as long as there have been people.

Also, the following are not immoral: pre-marital sex, divorce, homosexuality, pornography, nudity, contraception, or abortion.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:25:26 AM PDT
"The only way to know what absolute morality is, which many people will say does not exist, is to go by the standards set down by God. Those standards NEVER change."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Good one...

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:29:19 AM PDT
"A good summation would be the ten commandments. But there are many more in the NT."

"Oh, wait. You're serious? Let me laugh even louder!"
-- Bender

Humans have worshiped thousands of different Deities, from both monotheistic and pantheistic systems.

One religion (e.g. Christianity) can have hundreds of different sects, *each* with their own ideas as to "the standards set down by God."

Out of that morass of differing beliefs which interpretation of which Deity's word should we go by? Heck, you can't even get the body of Christians to agree on that.

Also, your moral standard becomes a tad less persuasive when one doesn't even share your belief in the same Deity's existence. And, even if I were certain that the Deity *did* exist, why should that Deity's will define *my* morality?

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:32:31 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 24, 2012 10:33:14 AM PDT
"God sets the standards for morality."

Why? Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that your Deity exists, and did indeed create reality.

Why should that Deity's will define our morality? Is "good" equivalent to "Whatever God says"? If so, then that seems to imply "Might makes Right" to me, a despicable, morally bankrupt philosophy (IMO).

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:35:25 AM PDT
reply to Michael Altarriba's post:

that is your bizarre set of morals
that are wrong
because that would hurt all of society if everyone did it

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:44:00 AM PDT
karmaman says:
I'm reminded of when Harper Lee's "To Kill A Mockingbird" was labeled immoral... wouldn't be surprised if some of the folks in this thread are descendants of the people who made that accusation. Some are probably old enough to have made that accusation themselves. It's the same crowd making the same arguments for the same reasons, only the targets have changed.

Me, I'm of the mind that we could use less Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons in the world, and more Atticus Finches. There's definitely moral decay in America, but it's the termites gnawing at the beams of the place who are feigning shock when the cracks start to show.

"The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience." - Atticus Finch

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:47:24 AM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
BV: The only way to know what absolute morality is, which many people will say does not exist, is to go by the standards set down by God. Those standards NEVER change.
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[say to the elders]...This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die... - Deuteronomy 21:20-21

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:50:57 AM PDT
RKG says:
we don't need to use stones now - we've got guns. let's have at it!

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 10:52:41 AM PDT
reply to JJB's post:

stones teach the lesson better

slow painful
line up the others to watch and get the message
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