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Initial post: Dec 19, 2012 8:40:53 PM PST
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jpl says:
The evidence supports the big bang theory.

Here's my question. Maybe you science-savvy people can help me here. If spacetime were wrapped in a miniscule speck with unimaginable mass, where did that speck come from?

Wouldn't that evoke the idea of an infinite regress? I personally think there has always been something, but I don't think it was some kind of consciousness.

I think the material world has always existed, but that begs the question of what we can know - the study of epistemology. I can't prove anything one way or another.

I'm interested in what you science-minded people have to say on the subject. Is there more than one spacetime? Again, that evokes the epistemological quesion.

I'm anxious to hear some opinions from those of you who know more about science than I do.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 8:50:37 PM PST
our universe had a start some 13.7 bn years ago with what is called the big bang

time existed before then
God existed before then
our universe started later

the big bang happened because God spoke and made it happen

Posted on Dec 19, 2012 8:54:14 PM PST
jpl says:
Horse, has your god told you this?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 8:57:25 PM PST
Currently, the answer is "We don't know."

Big Bang theory takes us back to just after the Planck Epoch, the first 10^-43 or so seconds of existence. Our theories don't give us a clear picture of what happened during the Planck Epoch, or what happened before... or even if the concept of "before" is applicable here.

All that said, the universe could have come from quite lliterally nothing: A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 8:58:24 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Horse, sometimes you make a lot of sense. I don't agree that there was time before human beings, but pretty much everything else you've said in those few lines is, from my perspective, true.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:02:11 PM PST
why would not there be time always

time is
it exists
always has
and always will

has nothing to do with starting our universe
we just dont know what was going on before that event

Posted on Dec 19, 2012 9:05:16 PM PST
"The Big Bang therory. Was there a beginning? "

Absolutely! When Sheldon needed a new roommate and Leonard answered the ad.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:09:15 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Time is a construct of the human brain.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:09:56 PM PST
nonsense

time exists
no matter what

our brain makes us aware of time

but it would be ticking along even without us

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:12:16 PM PST
Astrocat says:
You're wrong, Horse. But I'm not going to argue with you. Have a happy solstice.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:13:35 PM PST
jpl says:
Michael Altarriba, thanks for your contribution. Again, it may be a question of epistemology. Afer all, we humans are almost infinitely limited in our knowledge.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:16:40 PM PST
jpl says:
andthehorseirodeinontoo? says:

why would not there be time always

time is
it exists
always has
and always will

has nothing to do with starting our universe
we just dont know what was going on before that event

jpl: Then why invoke a god in your previous post?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 9:18:10 PM PST
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Posted on Dec 20, 2012 12:14:23 AM PST
SpiderWebb says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 7:40:00 AM PST
hawking is FOS

the universe did not create itself
and could not create itself

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 7:40:32 AM PST
because the universe we live in had a start

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 12:35:48 PM PST
mrs exp says:
Jack Vix,
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."
- Stephen Hawking

Perhaps you could ask him for me, who made the law of gravity?
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 12:38:52 PM PST
"Perhaps you could ask him for me, who made the law of gravity?"

Your question assumes that (a) a "who" is needed, and (b) that the so-called "law of gravity" is something which must have been created.

Modern physics doesn't suggest that either of those assumptions are true, much less necessarily true.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 12:41:34 PM PST
mrs exp says:
Michael Altarriba,
So the law of gravity just existed all by itself. That doesn't make sense to me.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 12:52:42 PM PST
"So the law of gravity just existed all by itself. That doesn't make sense to me."

We evolved to deal with trees and savannas, and not the formation of universes. Our intuitions don't necessarily apply.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 12:56:21 PM PST
SpiderWebb says:
exp> Why does it have to make sense? Just because we have an orderly universe among the chaos, that doesn't mean there had to be ID at the beginning. I still maintain that there was no beginning! What lays beyond the known universe? Ans. More universe!

If one can conceive of time going on forever and ever, I ask again, why can't time have existed as far back in the past as you care to think about? Forever and ever....in reverse!

To say there was no beginning is just as valid as saying there was ID at the beginning. Neither is provable therefor, both statements have equal veracity!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:08:20 PM PST
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Amon says:
Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's not true or doesn't exist. Most modern day religions make no sense to me...but we can agree that they exist and are here to stay.

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Jack Vix says:
"both statements have equal veracity" No, that's a nonsense conclusion. Given the absence of information one can't determine how approximate to truth it is to say it's infinite. Veracity deals with conformity to truth. One has equal justification in making both claims, which is none. However, that doesn't mean that therefore both are equally as likely.
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