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Victims of Pedophile Priests launch a class action lawsuit against the resigning Pope Benedict


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Initial post: Feb 17, 2013 1:36:13 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 17, 2013 1:42:56 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
Well, it has not happened yet but let us hope that it happens soon.

This is the 21st century, the age of science. Religion is an anachronism and logically has no place in modern society. That's why Catholicism has expanded among uneducated poor people in the developing world, while being significantly rejected by much of the developed world. This makes sense because, in this day and age, religion can only survive where there still remains mass-ignorance.

And, above all, the Catholic Church should not be above the law of human beings and should not be allowed to get away with harboring and covering up mass crimes of pedophilia.

It is time for the Catholic Church to be brought to JUSTICE.

It is time for Benedict to be locked up in jail and the key thrown away until his last breath on this Earth.

One thing I know for sure. If there is a Heaven and Hell, then the Pope and his whole band of Vatican criminals are all going to languish in Hell for eternity for the gross crimes against humanity they have either committed or abated and covered up.

PS: The sad history of tolerated and covered-up pedophilia in the Catholic Church shows clearly that religion infests mass immorality. To enhance one's morality, one needs to move away from the peddlers of a fake God and move towards strengthening one's principles and moral character based purely on one's appreciation of humanity and appreciation of the consequences of one's actions out of the goodness that is present in every human being rather than some irrational fear of a mythical God.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 2:13:10 PM PST
"Well, it has not happened yet"

So, for now, it's a lie?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 2:25:17 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 17, 2013 2:27:45 PM PST
Reesey says:
Music: So, for now, it's a lie?

R: Apparently, Seeker's taking a cue from the Media - posting merely an attention-grabbing lede - while the main "story" is nothing more than a personal venting, and contradicts the lede.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:00:34 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
Not a lie, a hope, and my OP is very accurate about the real situation.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:01:42 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
CNN is discussing the same possibility about the pervert-protecting ex-Pope Benedict being possibly tried in court for mass-pedophilia.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:12:28 PM PST
It's not true until it's true.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:17:15 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
And the OP does not say that it has happened as yet.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:21:26 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 17, 2013 3:23:28 PM PST
The thread title sure seems to be a present tense statement to me. Is it all right to lie in the thread title if you clarify in the OP?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:23:28 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
That's to catch your attention to open the Thread.
The OP then effectively corrects any illusion.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 3:26:13 PM PST
One man's illusion is another man's lie. Are you in advertising? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 5:38:48 PM PST
Reesey says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 5:40:55 PM PST
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Reesey says:
"That's to catch your attention....."

Just as I said. The same silly tactic the Media uses. It's one reason they have zero credibility and even less objectivity - because they aren't interested in the objective reporting - just in selling their wares.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 5:50:57 PM PST
Reesey says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 7:01:28 PM PST
Truth, Yet, Pope Benedict stripped those priests FOUND guilty of such atrocities from their ministry, (Many who have accused, have since recanted, such as in the cases of the many who have accused college coaches, and then recanted) and Pope Benedict has rebuked negligent Bishops, and apologized to victims and their families, but not even God, nor his vicar on earth, can force anyone to do good. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 1:54:55 AM PST
Ashwood says:
Reesey says: Your evidence that Pope Benedict "protected perverts"?

Ash :

*More Evidence Emerges That Pope Benedict Helped Shield Pedophiles Before He Became Pope

The abuse cases of two priests in Arizona have cast further doubt on the Catholic church's insistence that Pope Benedict XVI played no role in shielding pedophiles before he became pope.

Documents reviewed by The Associated Press show that as a Vatican cardinal, the future pope took over the abuse case of the Rev. Michael Teta of Tucson, Ariz., then let it languish at the Vatican for years despite repeated pleas from the bishop for the man to be removed from the priesthood.

In another Tucson case, that of Msgr. Robert Trupia, the bishop wrote to then-Cardinal Ratzinger, who would become pope in 2005. Bishop Manuel Moreno called Trupia "a major risk factor to the children, adolescents and adults that he many have contact with." There is no indication in the case files that Ratzinger responded.*

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/03/more-evidence-emerges-tha_n_524192.html

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 2:02:59 AM PST
Ashwood says:
Reesey says: "Jesuit expert calls Benedict 'great reformer' on sex abuse"

Ash :

*Sex abuse victims on Benedict's abdication: `We won't miss this pope'

Norbert Denef, 64, from the Baltic coast of north Germany, was abused as a boy by his local priest for six years. In 2003, Denef took his case to the bishop of Magdeburg. He was offered €25,000 (then £17,000) in return for a signed pledge of silence about what he suffered as a six-year-old boy. He then raised the issue with the Vatican and received a letter that said Pope John Paul II would pray for him so that Denef could forgive his molester.

"We won't miss this pope," said Denef. He likened the Vatican's treatment of the molestation disclosures to "mafia-style organised crime rings".

That view was echoed by David Clohessy in the US, executive director of SNAP (Survivors' Network of those Abused by Priests), an organisation with 12,000 members: "His record is terrible. Before he became pope, his predecessor put him in charge of the abuse crisis.

"He has read thousands of pages of reports of the abuse cases from across the world. He knows more about clergy sex crimes and cover-ups than anyone else in the church yet he has done precious little to protect children."

Jakob Purkarthofer, of Austria's Platform for Victims of Church Violence, said: "Ratzinger was part of the system and co-responsible for these crimes."

John Kelly, one founder of Ireland's Survivors of Child Abuse group and a former inmate at Dublin's notorious Artane Industrial School, which was run by the Christian Brothers, said Benedict had resisted their demands to properly investigate and disband religious orders tainted by sexual and physical abuse.

"In our view, we were let down in terms of promises of inquiries, reform and most importantly of all the Vatican continuing not to acknowledge that any priest or religious bodies found guilty of child abuse would face the civil authorities and be tried for their crimes in the courts.

"I'm afraid to say Pope Benedict won't be missed as the Vatican continued to block proper investigations into the abuse scandals during his term in office. Nor are we confident that things are going to be different because of all the conservative Cardinals he appointed. For us, he broke his word."*

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/11/sex-abuse-victims-on-benedicts-abdication-we-wont-miss-this-pope/

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 6:16:42 AM PST
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Reesey -

Is CNN trying to CREATE news again?

How unprofessional. Why don't they stick to reporting what ACTUALLY happens, rather than speculating on what they HOPE happens?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 7:44:32 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 11:52:47 AM PST
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Ashwood says:
Reesey says: I'm sorry you believe that a Media organ, whose job it is the SELL their product, is able to present objective facts into "evidence" for any court in the world

Ash : But you believe the RCC whose job it is to SELL their brand of organized religion, can be trusted to present objective facts into "evidence"?

Because their track record on this kind of thing is so good, right?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 12:10:11 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 18, 2013 1:01:31 PM PST
Ashwood says:
Reesey says: No one denies that some BISHOPS failed to handle these abuse cases appropriately - but in fact, it was the BISHOPS' job, not the Pope's or the CDF - to put these guys on trial.

Ash : It is pretty much everyone's job as decent human beings to prevent the molestation of children.

Reesey says: Blaming "the Vatican" is like blaming the President of the USA when a local public school fails to report a sexually abusive teacher to the local authorities, or when the local DA fails to prosecute.

Ash : It is like that, provided the President of the USA received letters telling him about the sexually abusive teacher and he wrote back telling them they needed to consider the damage that would be done to the reputation of the school district before going forward with the case.

*The future Pope Benedict XVI resisted pleas to defrock a California priest with a record of sexually molesting children, citing concerns including "the good of the universal church," according to a 1985 letter bearing his signature.
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The case then languished for four years at the Vatican before Ratzinger finally wrote to Oakland Bishop John Cummins. It was two more years before Kiesle was removed; during that time he continued to do volunteer work with children through the church.
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The future pope also noted that any decision to defrock Kiesle must take into account the "good of the universal church" and the "detriment that granting the dispensation can provoke within the community of Christ's faithful, particularly considering the young age." Kiesle was 38 at the time.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/09/pope-benedict-stalled-chi_n_532073.html

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 7:54:22 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013 6:47:18 AM PST
Ambulocetus says:
So, let me get this straight: a single interview with a single Bishop who claims that the Catholic church did nothing wrong in the Arizona case carries more weight than actual documents to and from Ratzinger himself? I am understanding your logic correctly here?

Let's look at a timeline, shall we?
1970s--Teta begins raping children.
1978--Teta's molestation of two boys in a confessional is reported.
1990--Teta is suspended from the ministry, but " because the church's most severe punishment - laicization - can only be handed down from Rome, he remained on the church payroll and was working with young people outside the church."
1992--In June, Ratzinger sends a letter saying he is taking over the case.
1997--Two decades after his molestation is reported, Teta is defrocked--but he appeals his case.
2004--A full TWELVE YEARS after Ratzinger takes up the case, Teta is laicized.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/03/more-evidence-emerges-tha_n_524192.html

Apparently, justice for victims of child rape was never much of a priority for Ratzinger.
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