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All true Christians have a duty to back Obama's healthcare reforms.


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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:32:50 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Wow, socialism really is the byword for liberalism in America, isn't it? I'm amazed at how often it is being mis-used.
Being tolerant of others beliefs and lifestyles must be taught by schools, if their parents or churches won't address those simple courtesies. Surely, love and understanding should be the precept of Christian teaching not continually re-interpreting the written word to fit one's personal views. Kids need to be taught the truth about every aspect of life or close-minded bigotry and insularity is passed on through to yet another generation at the detriment of society as a whole.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:34:19 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Kevin: And Communism is a type of socialism -- "scientific socialism" to its adherents.

SK: Methinks you made that up. There's a big difference between a communist economic system and a socialist social welfare system. The countries you deride as failures are no failures because of social welfare, they are failures because of collectivist production and TOLITARIAN political systems, emphasis on the TOTALITARIAN.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:35:27 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Yeah, they paid the ole country doc with chickens, like that lady in Arizona suggested. Snark intended.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:35:46 AM PST
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Rev Otter says:
<<I'm amazed at how often it is being mis-used.>>

you'll get used to it. just like hearing "i could care less". :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:38:38 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Sean, not everyone has a next door neighbor with means to help them out once in a while. In fact, most people do not have access to that kind of help on a regular basis. That's why we, as a society, help best when we pool our resources so that people who don't have that generous neighbor can get help they need, too. Having to pay large medical expenses is a lot more costly than helping your neighbor put up his Christmas lights. You have an extremely narrow world view of what "need" is, apparently.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:41:23 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
M.C. Williams - Please explain what specifically you are referring to when you say "this human tragedy".
Really? Do I have to reiterate, that in a rich first world country, tens of thousands of Americans are sub-educated, living on the poverty line and can't afford medical attention and live in a world where there fellow countrymen, let alone, human beings are not in favour of helping them because of a political point. I'll change that to "This
unmitigated catastrophic and shameful, human tragedy".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:41:38 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Unbelievably bad history. Before social security, poverty among the elderly was over 50%. After it, it has gone down to only 10%. You obviously don't even know how social security works.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:42:59 AM PST
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A Customer says:
And why could we not help those without by *expanding* Medicaid to cover more lower income people? Why did Obama and the Dems have to take over total control of every person in America's Heath care plans and decisions? Why could they not leave their grubby little hands off those Heath care plans of the 80+ percent of the population that already had health care plans?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:44:09 AM PST
I'd be happy if the public schools began teaching useful subjects like physics and math. Inner city public schools are an absolute embarrassment to the US education system.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:49:07 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Rev. fortunately/unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever get used to ignorance ;o)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:50:01 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Are you serious? This is not Saudi Arabia and he did not depict a likeness of Muhammad.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:51:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2012 11:58:45 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Why do you hate government, Sean? All civil societies have government. Without government we would be in a constant state of anarch and internecine warfare. Would you prefer that?

Edited to add "out" to with, what I meant in the first place.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:51:41 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Sean seems to think that blasphemy is illegal in this country.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:53:49 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
The Jewish community always took care of those in needs, mostly the widows and orphans, the lame, and sick, on a collective basis. Did Jesus ever speak out against this collective form of social welfare in the community, Judea, in which he lived? Um, no, I don't recall that he did.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:57:01 AM PST
The reason I asked the question is because you have like 9 different problems all wrapped into one and are claiming that gov't-run healthcare is the solution. It's not even close.

Government doesn't solve anything. People do.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:59:07 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
I also hear that Hitler liked ice cream and puppies. Do YOU like ice cream and puppies, you monster???

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:01:02 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2012 11:01:53 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
Sorry, Mountain Girl, but no U.S. law can be based on religion. Ours is a secular government, and all laws MUST have a secular (non-religious) purpose, or they're automatically un-Constitutional.

Also, please explain how Jesus commanded his followers to vote their beliefs into civil law. My copy of the Bible is missing those verses.

Your beliefs are your own business; you have zero right to promote laws that try to apply them to anyone but you.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:03:00 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
MCW: Greece, Spain, Italy and Ireland are all conservative Catholic countries and try to provide for the poor on that level not as overtly socialist countries

SK: Where did you get the idea that Greece, Italy, and Spain were "conservative" Catholic countries? First of all, The majority of Greeks are Orthodox, certainly not catholic. Second, all three of those countries have has fairly liberal social policies and are far from being conservative. Ireland is still bowing to the church, and a perfectly healthy, 30-something woman just died horribly there due to the refusal of the hospital she was taken to in the throws of a difficult miscarriage to perform an abortion. Instead, they forced her to endure the miscarriage naturally, she ruptured, got infected, and died. All because they detected a heartbeat and to have performed the abortion was against Catholic Church doctrine (the doctor was quoted as telling the woman-who was Hindu, by the way-that they were in a Catholic country, after all), even though it was clear that the fetus was dying and was being miscarried.

Sorry, off topic, but I had to get that out.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:03:13 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
"Government doesn't solve anything. People do."

Yes, and one of the ways we do that is by voting and passing laws. We call it 'government.'

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:06:13 AM PST
A Customer says:
Oh no, Kessler is writing like me, it's the End Times

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:07:09 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
I'm still waiting to hear your solution to the problem(s) and your take on 'good government'. In most civilised societies people only change things through the legal and political system although, I admit, peaceful protest can be effective.
Bad education; poverty; ill health are very often completely linked to one another.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:13:26 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
S. Kessler yes, I'm well aware of the story, glad it made it across the pond. It's a sad and terrible story, I'm afraid Ireland is ridiculously tied to the Church but the good news is they will now debate the issue and will probably retract that part of the law. Remember that Ireland is very reliant on European hand outs and I'm sure pressure will be applied were it hurts until they fall in line with the rest of the enlightened world.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:16:33 AM PST
BV says:
Brian - "Shouldn't the means be a matter of indifference as long as the goal is served?"

Maybe if I knew that every dollar was going to the poor people as opposed to going into some bureaucrat's pocket....

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:26:00 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Please explain how the Occupy Wall Street movement is like "the Nazis in America"? How have the well meaning, if naive, occupiers sent anyone to concentration camps, promulgated racial laws, jailed political prisoners, or shoved anyone into a gas chamber yet? I'm really curious how you think that has worked?

And Obamacare is hardly a takeover of medicine. How is requiring people to carry health insurance, mostly private health insurance, a takeover of anything? If you drive a car, you are required to carry auto insurance. How is requiring anybody using medical care to have medical insurance any different?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 11:26:08 AM PST
BV says:
SK - "Instead, folks like you treat the woman like she doesn't exist as a person or exists only to create offspring."

Yeah, folks like me and Susan B. Anthony.

http://www.feministsforlife.org/news/commonw.htm
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