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Initial post: Sep 29, 2010 3:49:19 AM PDT
Celsus says:
Absurdity #1: The Scapegoat solution, or the premise that the guilty can be pardoned by the death of an innocent. It simply makes no logical or moral sense to punish an innocent party for the crimes of another. A judicial solution of this nature, passed in any earthly court, would be deemed insane, and the judge would be immediately disbarred and whisked to the nearest mental asylum.

Absurdity #2: The notion that in order to forgive sins, God had to sacrifice Himself to Himself.

Absurdity #3: You must believe that God sacrificed Himself to Himself in order to obtain salvation; failure to believe this absurdity results in eternal torment.

Absurdity #4: That Jesus' death qualified as a sacrifice. Real sacrifice entails real loss. Jesus didn't really die, nor did he suffer any permanent loss. So where is the sacrifice?

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Posted on Sep 29, 2010 6:38:49 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
"Stupid, ignorant, idiot, brainless, nitwit, fool"

TDS seems a bit insecure on the topic of intelligence, always eager to prove his own and condemn everyone else's. I wonder why that is?

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Kevin Bold says:
Atheism is founded on four absurdities:

1) If humans can't sense it, it doesn't exist (ie, "Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.").

2) Humanity is the ultimate judge of all.

3) Perception is reality.

4) A Supreme Being would live up to human expectations and be bound by human logic.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 7:31:02 AM PDT
Isaiah says:
Kevin, I don't think you got this list from any atheist. I have never heard any atheist say any of this. You must have made it up or you got it from some non-atheist who did. If the latter, who was it?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 7:52:49 AM PDT
Kevin Bold says:
It's based soley on observation of atheists, and having once been one.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 8:07:46 AM PDT
While I do not think it is right to come to the Christian Forum and cause trouble...
I do think for a non-Christian that these statements ~ especially the last 3
DEFINE the whole problem.

Sidestepping the statements are not helping your case.

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Isaiah says:
You really thought those things?

That the senses were the only pathway to information? Wouldn't that mean you didn't believe atoms or electrons exist and didn't believe scientists' calculations about the distance of other stars and galaxies?

That perception is reality? Wouldn't that lead to thinking that the images in the mirror were actual three-dimensional beings? Or that you yourself could do whatever movie characters do courtesy of special effects?

That a Supreme being would conform to human logic and expectations? Wouldn't that lead to thinking the supreme being wasn't supreme after all and was therefore a contradiction in terms? Then if the thing is a contradiction in terms and therefore could not exist, why would you have theories about its nature and activities?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 8:17:03 AM PDT
GoneToTexas says:
biblegod is a liar. Or it would be if it existed.

Will I suffer eternal torment now?

What a loving thing biblegod is! Not!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 8:22:45 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Is this how you debate, TDS? Calling your interlocutor an "ignorant idiot' and implying that someone like him would be "a brainless nitwit"? Do you wonder why no one takes you seriously on this forum?

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Newbomb Turk says:
"In order to prove the assertion No God exists..."

I'm not making any assertion. I'm simply rejecting yours.

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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 9:48:42 AM PDT
I could care less... OR(depending on the mood)...I could not care less :)

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 10:01:12 AM PDT
Fred says:
THE ABSURDITY OF ATHEISM. In order to prove the assertion No God exists experimentally, one would need to comprehensively know all of reality. We are not smart enough as a species to even answer this are we?
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True enough. On the other hand however I can't "prove" leprechauns don't exist either but I'm not about to start believing in them now am I? Because that would be silly. One might even say absurd.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 10:01:47 AM PDT
hnmt says:
I disagree that those are foundational premises of Christianity. If I believed that was what Christianity was all about, I would renounce my religion.

The scapegoat solution is the way SOME Christians view Jesus' sacrifice. It is not the ONLY Christian interpretation. Personally I believe he did it to bridge the gap between divinity and humanity. I think it was something he did for us, not to meet his own need for justice but something to become closer to us. Without this, I think many of us would hold the attitude "God, what do you know? You have never suffered as I have suffered."

I have read the bible cover to cover several times in several translations and I find the belief that only Christians go to heaven and everyone else goes to hell to be unsubstantiated. Yes, I can see which verses they base the beliefs on but they can all be interpreted differently. For example, when Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life. No man can come to the father but by me" I think it was a reference to him being the bridge between humanity and divinity.

I think Jesus choosing to suffer pain just like the rest of us humans was his sacrifice. It was a sacrifice because he had the choice of suffering or not suffering and he chose suffering to be closer to us.

I do not expect you to believe the same way as me; I just wanted to clarify that not all Christians hold identical beliefs.

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Posted on Sep 29, 2010 10:04:24 AM PDT
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cdzheidt says:
It makes perfect sense, if you have beheld Jesus.

Salvation through Jesus is God's qualifying gift to the utterly unqualified, His unmerited blessing. I consider my life a waste had I not opened God's Gift, and I continually endeavor to explore it's invaluable treasure. The truth is, you can't see it, unless you believe it, and I'm not talking about belief in the sense of mental agreement alone; to believe is to receive it and let it own you.

Friend, you have come up to the well, but you have refused to drink from it. Others will not refuse, but stand aside as they approach that well and receive their drink. You've only announced to all of us that you prefer to taste the dryness of the parched desert on your tongue, rather than receive the water of Life, the same that quenches our thirst continually. Good. At least you have made yourself clear.

I prefer to drink. There's nothing here worth arguing over.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 11:19:58 AM PDT
Celsus says:
Tourmaline Delusion Shards

I can feel the Christian love. Your post inspires me to add a fifth absurdity to the list:

Absurdity #5: That Christians become "new creatures" in Christ.

The only thing I find different about many Christians is their excessive nastiness (as exemplified by TDS), which is another good reason why no one should aspire to be one.

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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2010 11:39:32 AM PDT
Celsus says:
Tourmaline Delusion Shards

It is marvelous to see the effect of Christ's redeeming sacrifice on your character, as reflected in your posts (despite the many grammatical errors). Keep the Christian love coming. I am sure everyone is very impressed by your wonderful example.

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Iatric says:
... and there would be the problem for most non-Christians. Putting their gaze on the wrong person, men will let you down. Unfortunately that won't work as an excuse when judgement comes.
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