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Initial post: Sep 20, 2011 12:11:22 PM PDT
eonxl says:
I wonder if someone can correct a confusion of mine when it comes to what the bible meant when it said the holy spirit gave believers the "gift of tongues".

When I was a child, reading the stories in the bible about the holy spirit giving believers the ability to speak in tongues, I always understood this to mean that they were given the ability to speak other languages in order to complete Jesus' mission to "spread the good news to all peoples".

Then I remember going with a friend of mine to his Pentecostal church where people were speaking in "tongues" all over the place -- only they weren't speaking other languages, it was just gibberish.

Now, all these years later it still doesn't make sense to me that the holy spirit would give people the ability to speak in gibberish. What is the point of that?

I still think it makes much more sense that they were able to speak foreign languages in order to communicate the message of Jesus to other cultures.

How do most other people interpret this mention of "the gift of tongues" in the bible? --e

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2011 3:08:27 PM PDT
Robin MacKay says:
Hi there enoxl, good questions.

On the crowd speaking gibberish...
The Bible says "God is not the author of confusion..."

As a child, you were on to something. If you look at Acts 2 when the Spirit fell upon the church, there was multiple miracles. One of speaking, and one of hearing and understanding. We know this because the observers said, "How is it that we all hear the wonderful works of God in our own languages?"

Communication was being restored! Men were divided at the Tower of Babel in Genesis and their languages were confounded by God to facilitate scattering them throughout the earth. This was being reversed in Christ at Pentecost by the Holy Spirit.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2011 3:52:48 PM PDT
eonx: "other people interpret this mention of "the gift of tongues" in the bible? --e"

My experience with most of the people that I have run into that are "speaking in tongues" is that they are channelling something, not unlike what psychics do. I am not at all sure that it is positive.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2011 4:15:45 PM PDT
I'm sure Jeff Moranzo knows

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2011 4:38:21 PM PDT
Craig says:
Good answer Robin.

Posted on Sep 20, 2011 4:45:32 PM PDT
When people get hysterical or hyperventilate they tend to lose control of their cognitive thinking abilities and their speech patterns are affected.

I have seen people who profess to speak in tongues and it is nothing more than childish babbling meant to convince others that they have some kind of special connection to "the spirit world".

In short, it is quite obviously a put on.

Posted on Sep 20, 2011 5:15:42 PM PDT
A customer says:
"Glossolalia or speaking in tongues is the fluid vocalizing (or, less commonly, the writing) of speech-like syllables, often as part of religious practice. The significance of glossolalia has varied with time and place, with some considering it a part of a sacred language. It is most prominently practiced within Pentecostal and Charismatic Christianity, but it is practiced in non-Christian religions as well. Others believe that the vocalizations are meaningless and cite hypnosis, mental illness, and social learning as scientific explanations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_in_tongues

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2011 7:13:05 PM PDT
Not all people who are channelling know whom they are channelling [i.e., speaking in tongues].

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2011 7:56:16 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Kathleen,
What is channeling?
exp

Posted on Sep 21, 2011 11:25:19 AM PDT
David says:
I agree with Robin. It is giving people the ability to speak in other languages which were, before, unknown to them. I believe the Bible also says, someone correct me if I'm wrong, that their has to be an interpretor; otherwise the rest of the people won't know what is being said. If no one can understand what you are saying without an interpretor then it's best to leave it unsaid.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 11:54:51 AM PDT
Craig says:
This is correct David. 1 Corinthians 14:27-28 NKJV

"If anyone speaks in a tongue, [let there be] two or at the most three, [each] in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God."

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 11:56:40 AM PDT
mrs exp says:
Craig,
Seems to me that the pastor always has an interpretation.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 11:59:49 AM PDT
Craig says:
That's good, someone should if it is of God, wouldn't you agree?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 12:12:16 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 12:35:40 PM PDT
eoxnl,
Can you at all clarify what you mean? According to the 1 Corinthians verse above, a message in tongues can occur.

However, when a believer is filled with the Holy Spirit, they receive their prayer language, which is a language they don't understand.

Now, I've seen the comments above about being hysterical and glossolalia. I can speak in my prayer language without being hysterical, and often pray in my car on the way to work in that way.

Some Scripture to explain:
1 Cornithians 14:15
What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

Ephesians 6:18
praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints.

Jude 20
But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,

1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

So are you referring to messages delivered to a congregation or group of people that is later interpreted, or are you referring to an individual's prayer language?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 12:44:31 PM PDT
David says:
So are you referring to messages delivered to a congregation or group of people ?

Yes...............

What ever tongue you speak between you and God is between you and God. It needs no interpretation.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 1:08:52 PM PDT
Katydid says:
First, it provided a sign as evidence of God's backing. Second, it was an effective tool to help the first-century Christians fulfill their commission to preach to people of many languages.

There is no reliable record of anyone receiving that same miraculous power since the death of the apostles. Regarding the miraculous gifts, including that of speaking in tongues, the apostle Paul prophesied: "They will cease." (1 Corinthians 13:8)

If people today claim to speak in tongues but do so within the confines of a church building, how can the practice serve as a public sign to multitudes of unbelievers?

Shortly before he died, Jesus mentioned a timeless sign, that would identify his true followers. "By this all will know that you are my disciples," he said, "if you have love among yourselves." (John 13:35) In fact, in the same verse where the bible foretold that the miraculous gifts would eventually cease, it says: "Love never fails."-1 Corinthians 13:8.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 1:28:19 PM PDT
getalife says:
Jeff Marzano not only speaks in tongues, he also speaks by putting his hand under his arm pits and makes those sounds which he later translates while he channels Lord Gorg from the fardsmelling galaxy.

Posted on Sep 21, 2011 2:02:45 PM PDT
Joe1013 says:
I guess I always viewed that portion of 'Acts' as an allegorical expression to denote that the disciples and followers of Jesus were inspired to spread the Good News to as many peoples as possible. I suspect in that region that, like modern day Switzerland, most knew at least 2, if not 4, languages. It appears that the purpose was to highlight that the disciples were 'en-flamed', so to speak, with a passion to reach out to others, not allowing language barriers to deter them from what they perceived was their mission to preach in the name of Christ.

As for the current practice of 'speaking in tongues', I'm not convinced as to its validity.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 3:46:40 PM PDT
Craig says:
The gifts will cease when that which is perfect comes. 1 Cor 13:10
What is Paul talking about, "that which is perfect"?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 3:48:39 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Craig,
It always seemed a little phoney to me.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 3:53:01 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Craig,
The church I was brought up in said that was the Bible. When all the books were completed tongues would cease. They also believe that they were other foreign languages.

But I have heard that "that which is perfect" is the return of Jesus.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 3:57:16 PM PDT
Craig says:
Then it probably is. The Spirit of God should testify to your spirit, so that you will discern what is of God and what isn't.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 3:58:08 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Craig,
Thanks for reminding me of that. The witness of the Holy Spirit.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 4:00:53 PM PDT
Craig says:
I say the latter is correct, the bible isn't "perfect", it can't be due to language differentials. If we all spoke the same language exactly, then it might be possible to have a perfect bible, but that isn't the case.
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