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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 7:16:35 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
>Yes, He is our sacrifice.

You must be proud.....

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 7:15:51 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Are you watching the Tony awards? Love some of the numbers although I liked the song from "once", but it was different.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 7:15:40 PM PDT
Lois says:
Cheri, have you heard this song by Mandisa?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFOdA52sjFA

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 7:15:26 PM PDT
Allan says:
Just posted this on another thread and thought I'd drop it in here.

Allan: A vastly greater issue for me is the way Abrahamic religionists feel the need to justify their deity's actions.

''There's probably a substantial dose of wishful thinking there.''

Much more to it than that from my POV.

By making wars and natural disasters a consequence of the deity's (all-too-human) anger, the ruling elite has created a powerfully effective control mechanism.

''If God were indeed infinitely far from humanity's concepts of morality and power, then He can do whatever he wants. It's the "why is there evil" issue. If God's understanding were so far above humanity's, you could never pretend to know why He does something. You can only accept, and so presumption of God's benevolence towards humanity is, at best, a guess.''

Isn't this exactly what the Hindus do? For them, whatever Brahma/Shiva/Vishnu chooses to do is none of their business. Unlike the Abrahamic followers, it is not up to us to second-guess the deity's intent or purpose.

''The problem is that human existence is based on logic and science. ''

Not for me. Science and mythology/religion are two sides of the one coin.

Science's remit is to understand the physical, that of mythology to understand the ''spiritual'' (for want of a better word).

Either one without the other leaves a major gap in our comprehension of human existence.

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 7:15:23 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Wish I understood the lyrics to this song, it makes me wish I lived my life for myself for a change I admit.....

" TEARS of ALOHA " Solomon Islands Music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Jyt5OMv0h1c

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 7:14:37 PM PDT
Tinker says:
The only down side to having a high range? People call and ask to talk to my mom, lol.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 7:09:51 PM PDT
JR,

I would suppose that the way one takes the words of Jesus in this instance will determine what he or she believes about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Some teach that Jesus was actually accusing his detractors of committing that very sin. I don't.
I believe Jesus was warning them not to do it, not accusing them of having done it. And he gives insight into the nature of this particular sin in his warning to them. I believe his words were a warning, not an accusation. I believe this, because Jesus tells us that he did not come into the world to condemn it [telling them they HAD committed it would in effect be a condemnation to judgment by G-d, and automatically being found "guilty!", without a possibility of redemption either in this life or the next.

Even if men speak against Christ Jesus himself [or other men], there is always the possibility of forgiveness in this life or the next.

The key to this is: What constitutes "speaking against" the Holy Spirit? In my understanding, it means to speak evil about the Holy Spirit [such as calling Him "satan", or "evil"]. It has absolutely nothing to do with unbelief or doubt. It is an active, considered, speech against the Holy Spirit, His nature and substance, and His character. It cannot be unbelief or doubt, since we were ALL unbelievers [or doubtful as believers] before we received the Gospel. We could never have been forgiven if unbelief were blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, since it is the only eternal sin.

And it has nothing to do with the hardness of one's heart, either. G-d is more than capable of breaking the hardest of hearts, whether they are believers, or unbelievers. Remember, G-d's word is compared to a hammer by Jeremiah Nothing can withstand the Word of G-d's operation in a heart -- any heart.

The writer of Hebrews gives us further insight into this particular sin. IF we have experienced the forgiveness of G-D through Christ Jesus, and have actually witnessed the Holy Spirit's presence and power in our own lives, and then reject the Holy Spirit's presence completely, or call Him "evil" rather than good, after knowing His goodness, we reject the One Who is tasked with pointing out our sin, so that it can be removed completely. The Holy Spirit is G-d's Gift
to mankind. He is the Father's Love itself. Since the Holy Spirit is G-d's active power in the Universe, if we actively reject that power, we cut our own selves off from G-d's deliverance and redemption. If we die in that state of active rejection, we will have no forgiveness in the next life, since only those who accept that they are actively in rebellion to G-d will be redeemed.

The Father, through the words of Jesus, and by His Spirit, tells us that such sin will not be forgiven. NOT that it CANNOT be forgiven, but because G-d has made the decision that it will not be forgiven. And for no other reason. It has nothing to do with G-d's ability to forgive sin. It has nothing to do with our ability to forgive sin, or escape sin. G-d saves and delivers ALL He chooses, in spite of our sin -- and while we were STILL in our sin, no less -- and without exception. We do not choose Him, but His son chooses us.

It can't be something we say against others, including the Church, or even Jesus. Remember that Paul actively persecuted the Church, even to the point of participating in the murder of St. Stephen, as well as others. And the spirit of Jesus afterward told him he was actively persecuting Jesus himself. Yet, G-d, in His mercy shown in Christ Jesus, forgave him for his sins. And made him the Church's first Theologian.

Those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit know exactly what they are doing. Because of this, G-d refuses to forgive their sin.

a servant of Christ Jesus,

Donald Lee McDaniel

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 7:08:50 PM PDT
Lois says:
I am in that range as well. Gets lower all the time!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:58:33 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Love this song. It was sung at my daughters service. I CAN only imagine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII&feature=youtube_gdata_player

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:56:53 PM PDT
Tinker says:
High soprano here, although not as high as I used to be. Gotta love soaring notes!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:51:42 PM PDT
Allan says:
Cheri says: Followers of Jesus haven't strayed from His teachings.

Allan: You and the posse have, by a very long way.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:45:49 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:40:45 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Too low~

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:35:47 PM PDT
Tinker says:
He's in Texas soon.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:35:32 PM PDT
Tinker says:
I know, I saw where he's performing,

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:31:11 PM PDT
Tinker says:
I remember the first 'desktop', lol. It literally covered almost all of the top of the desk. Now, I'm on an iPad. Who knew.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:29:28 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Same here, because I can enlarge the text. I need to get my eyes checked again.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:26:48 PM PDT
Tinker says:
"And don't worry about trying to undo 2,000-years of teaching, I have some3,000-years of tradition that must be reviewed, renewed or reconsidered every generation or stagnation will occur, quickly followed by ossification."

This is why I have a living God. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:24:01 PM PDT
Tinker says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:23:01 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Yes, He is our sacrifice.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:22:19 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Followers of Jesus haven't strayed from His teachings. Men or religions don't always get it right but we won't go wrong when we follow Him.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:10:55 PM PDT
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Bryan Borich says:
I have some stuff from Africa:

BaAka water drumming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_DX64N7AGg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=hwy69tsFEIU

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:08:55 PM PDT
Allan says:
Listening to that now, Bryan. (Am I right in thinking of drum scenes at the opening of the Beijing Olympics?)

Somewhere around are records of the sacred drums of Africa. Have only heard a track or two and would love to get my hands on full versions.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 6:04:21 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
I only started understanding this song somewhat recently, we are in the Season of the Hollow Soul (though I received it years ago):

KD Lang - Season Of Hollow Soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpHlEBLbHdU

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 5:58:03 PM PDT
Lois says:
Yes!!!!
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