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A BOHEMIAN TESTAMONY


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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 9:53:32 PM PDT
neonpisces says:
I think that MLC's post was probably a hit and run. I suspect that (s)he won't return.

So far as I'm concerned, I've struggled my way back to Christ...but on terms very different from the Evangelical world I used to be a part of. However a number of decades ago, I could have written that post. It bears the hallmarks of someone who is desperate to believe.

There are use of catch-phrases, "a relationship with God through the person of Jesus Christ by the infilling of the Holy Spirit", that only someone in the same milieu could fully comprehend.

Were you truly a Christian then you would understand the context and emotive power of such a statement and respond in kind. Since you don't use the same language, then your assertions about faith are suspect. It follows that you are not a true Christian, but rather a victim of some non-Christ centered church.

So then you are given the Gospel: God has a wonderful plan for your life; we are separated from God by sin; God has bridged that gap with his only Son, Jesus Christ; all we need to do to enjoy God's wonderful plan is accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. The underlying suppositions of original sin, and the need for a ritual murder as recompense for sin are not explained. It would be best not to question them.

Questions as to *why* you left the faith remain unasked. Probably because you went to the premier Evangelical seminary in the country - a statement I'm still trying to bend my mind around.

But, like I said, I could have authored the same missive back in the day. It is cant. It is formulaic. Yet it has an internal logic: You say you were a Christian. Now you are not. No true Christian would stop believing. Therefore you never were. That is both a comfort and a curse for me: no true Christian would ever stop believing.

The idea that God transcends belief systems and cannot be reduced to a set of doctrinal statements is abhorrent. Such an idea smacks of liberalism and allows for the questioning of biblical authority.

At the end of the day, it would appear that one's salvation is not assured by Grace as much as it is the constant assent to a list of particulars that seem ever more remote.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 10:13:29 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
neopisces,

I agree with what you're saying. It could have been ME too. I use to run off at the mouth the formulated, party line that most believers use today.

What's really funny is, all those terminologies were unheard of until the 18th century. Go back to the middle ages and ask a believer if they were "born again", and they would look at you with bewilderment. In history past, people were either believers or non believers. They wouldn't even know what an alter call was.

Christians today practice AMERICAN Christianity, not HISTORICAL Christianity.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 9, 2012 10:30:40 PM PDT
Bo-Man I have heard it all now. It sounds like you just decided that every one in church has just made you feel like this is to much. It sounds to me that You have judged yourself into thinking that all this is over. Well, it isn't. You have been there and have had the opportunity to go for help with cell meetings. Also, you can run but you can't hide. You have had the greatest chances to be a wittness to others. But you are angrey and mad at every body else instead of trying to make a difference. Every one of us had issues. But it also depends on what you do with it. It needs to start with you to go ,forward. You are missing out of many blessings. You are only hurting yourself. It sure isn't bothering people who don't care.

Posted on Jul 9, 2012 11:40:34 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Carol Freeman,

I don't really get your point.

What do mean by "you are angry and mad at every body else instead of trying to make a difference"? I'm not "angry" with anyone. I just came to see the double standard in it all.

My reasons for leaving the faith were PRIMARILY over the research I did into the validity of the Bible. That research brought me to the realization that Christians (including myself at that time) were basing their beliefs on a lot of myths.

What YOU would call "going forward" to me, would be going backwards. Back to a bronze age belief system that's based on mystical thinking and not reality.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 12:48:50 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
A bump up for Cheri

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 3:44:05 AM PDT
Spinoza says:
MLC says:

We are all born with sin natures. We cannot make ourselves free of sin.

Spinoza says:

Could you perhaps explain what a "sin nature" is and how human beings happen to be born with it? I was taught the concept of children being born as "tabula rasa" according to Locke.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 4:37:23 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
neonpisces, are you familiar with the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I have this feeling you are going to read it, blink, and go right back to your previous statements, uncomprehending. Please forgive my pessimism. It is based on statement from you like this:

"You say you were a Christian. Now you are not. No true Christian would stop believing. Therefore you never were. That is both a comfort and a curse for me: no true Christian would ever stop believing."

Can you change your mind in the face of better thinking? You will have to let go of fear and emotion to do so, but even more than that, you must reason carefully. Take all the time you need to work through it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 4:40:34 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
Carol, Bo-Man gave an example of a test he did in the middle of a sermon. The guy did not have the time to write a book on an amazon post. I would imagine he "tested" his faith in dozens of ways. Why do you assume he is so incapable that just because he met some unpleasant Christians, that would turn him away? His original post clearly pointed out to me that he wanted to find out if it was TRUE or not, which is far more important than how mature Christians seem to be or not be.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 12:14:37 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Found it, thanks. I have some things I'd like to talk to you about, but am facing some surgery tomorrow. It might take me a few days and will post when I'm able.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 12:19:16 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Cheri,

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow. I hope it's not too serious.

Take care.

Bohemian Man.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 4:29:46 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Lao Tzu,

Thank you.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 4:51:17 AM PDT
neonpisces says:
That statement was meant, in part, to be ironic, Lao Tzu. I'm not speaking for myself. It's an extrapolation of MLC's post.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 5:23:14 PM PDT
Prayers your way, Cheri.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 5:25:12 PM PDT
Thank you for sharing and *reposting* this, Bohemian Man.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 5:26:32 PM PDT
P.S: Omigoodness, I don't blame you for NOT rewriting this over and over again...

(waving and yelling "HI AMAZON!"=)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 5:28:35 PM PDT
Oh...

How awesome! I'm not even going to tell you my strategy - it's way too embarrassing...LOL!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 7:04:56 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Thanks Faith, God is so good! Hurting, but to be expected. Going to try to sleep.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 11:24:56 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Faith,

THAT"S NOT FAIR!

Come on, confess up (:

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 11:26:51 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Cheri,

Glad everything turned out alright.

Want me to mail you some Hookah for the pain? (:

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 11:48:11 PM PDT
Tinker says:
No thanks. I don't smoke or drink, the meds he gave me are helping. The bite blocks they used were really making my jaws hurt. It made the TMJ worse, but I should feel much better after all this heals.

Its 1:15 in the morning and can't sleep. I guess its time to take the meds again. Hurts to open my mouth to do it! Time to try and get some sleep. Praying all are sleeping peacefully! <3

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 11:59:15 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Cheri,

I once had TMJ too. I thought it was just an ear ache for the longest time.

I was lucky though, mine went away with hot packs. I'm sure it wasn't as serious as yours.

Anyways, get some rest. I hope he gave you some Vicodin. It's more fun healing while your feeling good. (:

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 4:10:13 AM PDT
Amen (((Cheri=)))

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 4:24:20 AM PDT
Well, despite wise counsel from friends (as well as funny looks=) I joined the Democratic Party to try and help them with the problems they have being the puppets and doing the bidding of the wrong entity...

See how well it worked? Although the Democrats for Life have definitely got the right idea (even though their voice is virtually ignored within their own party), but proving there is always hope!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 4:49:38 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Faith,

LOL!

Remember, the phrase "bleeding heart liberal" comes from the painting of the bleeding heart of Christ. (:

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 1:22:50 PM PDT
Bohemian Man -

To quote someone although I don't think I can say who:

"I didn't know that." (D. Martin, but not Dean=)
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