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In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 10:30:00 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
DM: But there are also people who do not define their sexuality with just one preference. I don't see why you have such a problem with that.

SK: And that's called bisexuality and no one here has a problem with that. You do a lot of apple-and-orange mixing in your posts, D. Mok. One of the problems I have with your notion of making choices about one's sexuality and how a person can choose differently, is the way you're using "choice". You appear to think that choice is wide open, as in "free choice" and everybody's got it to the same degree. But we don't, and never did. Our choices in terms of sexuality are constrained by our inborn nature combined determining who we are attracted to, and by our environment of family, community, larger society that tells us what choices are "acceptable" and which are unacceptable or even labeled evil. If a person consciously chooses to go against what their intuitions tell them is right for them and choose something acceptable because family and society tell them to, then they will experience a great deal of psychological turmoil until they resolve those conflicting feelings. A person who is truly, 100% gay male might actually feel bodily disgust if they make the choice to have sexual relations with a woman, whether or not they can "do it" physically. Or they just might not feel anything. But they may convince themselves to go ahead with a heterosexual marriage because it's what other's expect and they have come to think that no matter how they feel it must be wrong if everyone else is right. But it will be a bad choice for them. A destructive choice. And in the vast majority of cases they will not be able to stick with the "choice" they have made because it will cause them great psychological pain. So some "choices" are very poor choices, indeed, and with very negative consequences. In the end the only one who can determine the right way to live, sexually or otherwise, is the person, themselves, not society, not their family, but them.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 10:35:18 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
You're welcome, Astrin. It is his implication that self-hatred is somehow an acceptable state of being because a person might feel it that really set my knickers in a twist. Self-hatred is never acceptable, not should other people expect it of one just because it "is". Self-hatred is always a negative, destructive force.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 11:37:39 AM PDT
King's Kid says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 12:15:14 PM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
King's Kid,

Re: "...Some of the folks who are of the opinion that being gay is bad find the idea of sex with a member of the same sex repugnant..."

That's not thinking being gay is bad; that's not finding it tempting. I think the taste of licorice is revolting, so I don't eat it myself, but I don't think that eating licorice is bad.

Nor do I think that licorice-lovers should hate themselves, and deny themselves licorice. If there were groups that practiced "anti-licorice Reparation Therapy" who preyed on these unfortunates instead of advising them to seek therapy to recover from their self-hatred, I would be harshly critical of those groups. Especially if their "patients" weren't told up front that they'd never stop wanting licorice, no matter how hard they tried to "change".

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 12:18:12 PM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
S. Kessler,

Can you imagine a Self-Haters Rights group led by D. Mok? "Arise, self-haters! You have nothing to gain, but you should be used to that by now." :-P

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 12:20:57 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Then they should refrain from having sex with someone of the same gender. There. Problem solved.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 3:39:40 PM PDT
Bubba says:
he was told about bisexuals at least twice, and still kept claiming that gays can change their sexuality. He sounds like an exodus shill.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 4:43:08 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
1 shot of good tequila, 1 shot of Grand Marnier!

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 4:45:05 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Do you remember the chocolate covered malted milk balls?

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 4:45:34 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 5:13:23 PM PDT
Rev. Otter says:
<<Some of the folks who are of the opinion that being gay is bad find the idea of sex with a member of the same sex repugnant.>>

one simply does not follow the other. i'm personally repulsed by the idea of sex with another man, but i don't think "being gay is bad". so your whole argument is demonstrably false. :)

<<It can be personal preference>>

yes, and a personal preference to not-like groups of people is called "bigotry". thanks for your honesty! :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:21:19 PM PDT
Bubba says:
I love chocolate covered malted milk balls, Whoppers, I think. I have eaten far too many of them at one sitting a few times.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 9:02:37 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Give me chocolate covered orange peel. Or grapefruit peel. Even lemon peel.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 9:19:05 PM PDT
Bubba says:
He sure sounds like he's from Exodus International -- they LOVE gays, as long as they pretend to have been converted to being str8.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 10:55:28 PM PDT
dischism says:
Cheers!

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 10:59:51 PM PDT
dischism says:
They're marketed here as Maltesers by Mars. I was surprised to find you don't have them in the US as they've been perennially popular here as long as I can remember.

In fact until people had to stop telling downright lies in their advertising, they were advertised as the chocolate with the less fattening centre. :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 11:16:40 PM PDT
Andy B says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 11:22:18 PM PDT
dischism says:
Andy B

< Is a pedophile constrained by his inborn nature?>

Why are you asking this question in a thread about homosexuality?

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:26:24 AM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
Bubba,

Yes, as long as their so-called converts talk a good game, Exodus International is happy. And if they should lapse into hiring a professional "traveling companion", that's forgiveable. As long as they don't fall in love with someone of the same gender as an equal and marry them... THAT would be really deviant to the self-proclaimed champions of family values. ;-D

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:31:20 AM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
And here's the equating of sex between consenting adults to child molestation, right on schedule. Can bestiality and polygamy be far behind?

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:42:45 AM PDT
AxeGrrl says:
Great post, SK :)

could you re-post it throughout various threads every couple of weeks or so? :)

Posted on May 30, 2012 12:46:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2012 12:49:50 AM PDT
mikespace says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:50:28 AM PDT
AxeGrrl says:
In other words, bitter gay people were chiefly responsible for the Holocaust.......

and you offer absolutely NO mention of that centuries-long denigration of Jews _by Christians_.

*facepalm*

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 1:48:20 AM PDT
Astrin Ymris says:
mikespace,

Re: "...Many Nazis were gay, and hated Jews and the Old Testament..."

No, SOME Nazis were gay. Hitler tolerated Ernst Rohm during his rise to power because Rohm was useful to him, and then discarded and murdered him when he became a political liability. Hitler needed the support of the military aristocracy and business community to ensure his final rise to absolute power in Germany, and Rohm's socialist beliefs were actually more of a problem to these interests than his homosexuality.

So Hitler sacrificed his old friend, and claimed that he'd done it because of Rohm's "perversion". Lying was definitely a tactic that Hitler used successfully.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 7:38:47 AM PDT
dischism says:
mikespace

This wiki article should give you some idea of the *persecution* of LGBT in Nazi Germany from 1933 onwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gays_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:14:11 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
I'm not at all sure how your post responds to mine, but in the spirit of the fundamentalist attitude toward what do do with sinners, I offer this news item from Addicting Info:

Indeed, Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas thinks the best method of letting tax-paying, law-abiding citizens live their lives is by killing them:

"They should be put to death. That's what happened in Israel. That's why homosexuality wouldn't have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversions. It tends to limit people coming out of the closet. - `Oh, so you're saying we should go out and start killing them, no?' - I'm saying the government should. They won't but they should. [You say], `oh, I can't believe you you're horrible. You're a backwards neanderthal of a person.' Is that what you're calling scripture? Is God a neanderthal backwards.. in his morality. Is it his word or not? If it's his word, he commanded it. It's his idea, not mine. And I'm not ashamed of it." (Source: TowlerRoad.com)
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