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Tidbits about the relationship between GD and the Children of Israel and how these relate to Christianity


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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 12:17:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 22, 2012 2:41:42 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Ryan Willis says: I think it's a dangerous area when really we should see the angels as they are, being servants of the Most High and what the angels do for us is simply God working through them to carry out His purpose as He so chooses.

Me: Actually Rambam teaches that this is exactly how idol worship started. People saw powerful things such as the sun & the moon & the stars & fire and water and animals etc... At first they made images of these things in order to remind themselves but they were actually worshipping God who made all these things. Then they came to a feeling that these things were honored by God & so they too deserved worship. After a time they started to forget the real purpose they had made these images & instead started to worship the images themselves as deities.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 12:27:57 AM PDT
jaime says:
Uriel literally means "Light of GD"; Rafael means "healing of GD"; Gavriel means "power of GD" and Michael means, "Who is like GD?"

They are all Archangels.

There are other angels with names, but I don't remember those other names.

Ryan
the angels in heaven act on God's initiative by choice and not their own initiative.

Hanalah
I see you understand angels correctly.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 12:30:00 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 22, 2012 12:32:04 AM PDT
jaime says:
Gr8fl2bHis: I totally agree with this, Ryan. A few years back, it seemed there was a plethora of books about angels, and some of it was pretty goofy, definitely bordered on angel worship.

Hanalah
Thank you, Grateful. I remember those books. That was what prompted my post about the danger of worshipping angels.

In addition, I had in mind the danger that Big posts just above, about worshipping Gd's messengers and Gd's servants.

Sad to say, on the other hand, there are many Jews today who are unaware of the prayer I quoted the other day, and even unaware of the classic and ongoing Jewish belief in angels.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 12:31:10 AM PDT
Lois says:
Hanalah,
I responded to your e-mail.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 12:32:23 AM PDT
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jaime says:
Thank you, Lois. I will read it at once.

I read it. I'm afraid I was only up to a short response. But I was glad to get most of it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 1:46:56 PM PDT
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Big Shmooz says:
Ryan Willis says: I have an interesting question for any practicing Israelites here: What is the Jewish belief about personal angels?

Me: I just discovered something very interesting... The Talmud in tractate Chagiga teaches us that "Rav Zerika said: two ministering angels that accompany him testify against him, for it is said: For He will give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways."

So we can see from here that a person is always accompanied by two ministering angels.

Also, in tractate Sanhedrin I found the following passage... "But since they did not see it, why
were they terrified? - Though they themselves saw nothing, their guardian angel did see it. Ravina
said: This proves that when one is terrified [and knows not why], though he has not seen anything,
his guardian angel has."

Posted on Apr 24, 2012 11:08:14 PM PDT
dischism says:
Hanalah

Todah rabbah for recommending the Michaelson book!

I haven't finished it yet; normally, I hurtle headlong through books but I've found I need more time and a dictionary to boot.
It's very interesting and rewarding and has certainly caused me to look at the Hasidim with different eyes.

I'm sure you're right that Allan would find it worth reading, as well.

I'll get back to you when I'm finished.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 12:32:09 AM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
Hanalah: Thank you, Grateful. I remember those books. That was what prompted my post about the danger of worshipping angels.

Gr8fl2bHis: Ahh, something else we agree on. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 12:33:05 AM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
Big Shmooz: For He will give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways."

Gr8fl2bHis: This is written in Psalm 91.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 12:39:18 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Gr8fl2bHis says: This is written in Psalm 91.

Me: Yes, & it shows that there are guardian angels.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2012 12:41:02 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 25, 2012 12:41:53 AM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
Big Shmooz: For He will give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways."

Gr8fl2bHis says: This is written in Psalm 91.

Big Shmooz: Yes, & it shows that there are guardian angels.

Gr8fl2bHis: No argument there. My only comment about this has been that we are not to worship them. They are ministers of God sent to minister to people. Christ Jesus confirmed this in His teaching.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 10:40:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 10:40:22 PM PDT
jaime says:
On another topic:

Irena Sendler, a Polish Christian, saved an incredible number of babies and children from the Warsaw ghetto, and, thank Gd, lived to receive recognition for it.

http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/939081/jewish/Irena-Sendler.htm

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 11:05:10 PM PDT
Dakotawolf says:
I have the movie, The Courageous Heart of Irena Sendler, that I hope to watch over the weekend sometime. I watched a few minutes of it last night.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 11:13:28 PM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
Hanalah and Dakotawolf, thanks to both of you for telling us about this. I will read the link and look for the movie.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 7:27:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 28, 2012 7:29:22 PM PDT
jaime says:
On the other forum, you asked whether Jews still avoid linsey woolsey.

In Hebrew it's called "shatnetz".

Yes, we still avoid it. Before buying a new garment, we ask permission to have it checked. And there are people we can take it to, who will make sure the garment is free of ANY fabric made of linen and wool woven together.

It IS still forbidden.

Most non-orthodox Jews have never even noticed that the Bible forbids wearing linen and wool woven together, and even those who noticed it in the Bible are mostly unaware that there are places to have the garment checked nowadays.

It was much easier to check this when we lived in separate communities (little villages called shtetls) with our own tailors. There were no department stores; you bought a suit from the tailor, who would not buy ANY such fabric, so there was no problem about needing to check it. Similarly for women's clothing: if we don't buy the fabric, the fabric won't be in the clothes.

But today we have to rely on what the department stores or clothing stores provide. Fortunately, often the shatnetz is either removable or absent.

I'll bet I'm the only one on this thread who knew that, besides Big Shmooz.

But on the Jewish forum, there are lots of men and women who know this.

I was present a few months ago at a demonstration of how the checking is done, and how often the shatnetz can appear in unexpected places.

The inside of the pocket may be made of shatnetz. The collar. The lining. The stuffing, if there is stuffing. The trim. The threads used to sew it together. The covering on the buttons.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 8:11:21 PM PDT
Ryan Willis says:
Very interesting and informative. Thank you for sharing that.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 12:06:05 AM PDT
jaime says:
You are most welcome, Ryan.

I expected that you would find it so.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 2:50:20 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Hanalah says: In Hebrew it's called "shatnetz".

Me: Shaatnez.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 2:52:27 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Hanalah says: The inside of the pocket may be made of shatnetz. The collar. The lining. The stuffing, if there is stuffing. The trim. The threads used to sew it together. The covering on the buttons.

Me: I once purchased a tuxedo & the lining inside of the collar of the jacket was Shaatnez. I had it removed.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 6:05:04 PM PDT
jaime says:
I'm glad it was something that could be removed without too much difficulty. Did you have to pay much to have it done? Did you have a new lining sewn into the collar of the jecket?

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 10:50:18 AM PDT
jaime says:
I watched this three times. Hopefully you can access it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKiooqeMBJc&feature=player_embedded

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:05:48 PM PDT
yba says:
How wonderful, a beautiful portrayal of a rich life full of joy and tradition. So different from thestereotypical life of "denial" that others often have of our rich tradition.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:27:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2012 1:27:50 PM PDT
jaime says:
They have us confused with the Puritans.

Heck, the Puritans had us confused with the Puritans.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:48:59 PM PDT
dischism says:
That was great, Hanalah!

Todah rabbah. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 3:04:04 PM PDT
jaime says:
You are most welcome, dioschism!!!
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