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Mary was sinless -- so get over it. (Part II)

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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:09:38 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:11:17 PM PDT
Pearls, Indeed, and neither can paul save anyone, that blasphemer,(1 Corinthians 9:22) as ONLY God can save, and neither is paul our father also, (1 Corinthians 4;15,16) as God ALONE is our Father, no?. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:13:04 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:23:47 PM PDT
Raulito says:
Jose,

I asked Pearls whether her priests recite the prayer of the Rosary during funerals for a deceased Catholic, and she won't answer.

I asked Pearls whether her priests celebrate the feast of the Immaculate Conception on December the 8th, and she won't answer.

I asked Pearls whether her priests celebrate the feast of the Assumption on August 15, and she won't answer.

Then Pearls goes on to say her priests only believe in Jesus, and they don't practice anything Marian. LoL.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 12:37:49 AM PDT
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Kevin Bold says:
Then why isn't James "the son of Mary," Karen?

And why did Jesus give John responsibility for Mary, instead of James?

"'Behold thy son' presupposes that Mary had no sons besides Jesus. To honour parents by faithful care of them, is not merely the duty, but the privilege also, of children; and if she had other children, Jesus would have infringed upon that privilege by committing His mother to John. He would have left His disciples but a poor pattern of the sacntification of the relations appointed of Heaven, if He had thus absolutely placed Himself in independence of those relations. The duty of the sons would have remained, even if the supposed brothers of Jesus had at the time been in a state of unbelief." -- E. W. Hengstenberg, Commentary on the Gospel of St. John) p. 417.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 3:15:22 AM PDT
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QUESTER says:
Kevin Bold says:

And why did Jesus give John responsibility for Mary, instead of James?
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We know, from His own words, that Jesus valued spiritual kinship OVER physical kinship ....

Matthew 12:46-50

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."

48 He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

At the time of Jesus' death, Jesus' brothers were unbelievers.

John 7:5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

Jesus left Mary in the care of believers.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:07:32 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
Yes, in that his mother was Joseph's spouse. Did you ever notice that there were no loud announcements or proclamations? No one ever said something like, "Listen up everyone. Jesus is not really Joseph's son. The Holy Spirit descended on Mary and she became pregnant with God's child." That would have gone over real well. So, you are being a bit ridiculous with your question.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:09:52 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
Thank you for your answer. I believe (at least hope she would) that Faith knows the answer and is just trying to be a smart alec.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:14:05 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
And here I thought, according to the Catholic church, the pope was the one who replaced the Holy Spirit as Christ's representative on earth.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:32:45 AM PDT
See we all have our own perpectives on texts where it is allowed and this is a perfect example Lily. I've always found it Marys heartbreak and devastation that she was overwhelmed with. I see her suffering as so overbearing that I never once saw her attempting to comfort (how could any gesture do so in that hour), or even be comforted in her terrorizing anguish she sees her son agonizing in. I see Him as all alone, separated from the Father and his loved ones here. Taking on all of our sins to Himself. But that is a perfect example of where we can view the event differently in the way that it means the most to us.
It doesn't or shouldn't change the event to something other than what it was. Excrutiating and horrible.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:33:45 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
I am going to look into this, but I see the "mostholyfamilymonastery" and "blessed virgin mary" knowing that this is going to be something written by Catholics and working God's words around to fit their agenda. I don't believe anywhere in the Bible indicates Mary was immaculately conceived, assumed into heaven, was a perpetual virgin or was queen of heaven.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:35:38 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
In what way? She may have comforted him as a youngster when he fell and scraped his knee, but how did she comfort Him when He was dying on the cross?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:36:07 AM PDT
Raulito says:

I asked Pearls whether her priests celebrate the feast of the Immaculate Conception on December the 8th, and she won't answer."

Now why am I not surprised to see you still slathering in lies Raul. I will not continue to answer the same queries that I already have from you. I answered your questions long ago and asked you to tell me the answer recently--and you did! So, you carry on with your endless queries evading my questions to you which you never do answer. When will you begin to give answers for the questions put to you Raul?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:37:57 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
Or people who just have a personal agenda and "no" vote anyone with whom they disagree. I find that quite often, a post is relevant but certain individuals will give it a "no" vote because they just don't like you. It often has nothing to do with the relevance of the post.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:41:02 AM PDT
Just Karen says:
Perhaps you should read the account yourself. I forget. Did you say you read the Bible at all? What is the background of E. W. Hengstenberg, Catholic?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:56:14 AM PDT
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Like as a Woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD. we were pregnant, we writhed, but we have given birth to wind. We have accomplished no deliverance in the earth, and the inhabitants of the world have not fallen. shall rise. You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For your dew is a dew of light, and the earth will give birth to the dead.


19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise-
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy-
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
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Isaiah 27 In that day,

the Lord will punish with his sword -
his fierce, great and powerful sword-
Leviathan the gliding serpent,
Leviathan the coiling serpent;
he will slay the monster of the sea.

6 In days to come Jacob will take root,
Israel will bud and blossom
and fill all the world with fruit.

7 Has the Lord struck her
as he struck down those who struck her?
Has she been killed
as those were killed who killed her?
8 By warfare[a] and exile you contend with her-
with his fierce blast he drives her out,
as on a day the east wind blows.

9 By this, then, will Jacob's guilt be atoned for,

and this will be the full fruit of the removal of his sin:

When he makes all the altar stones

to be like limestone crushed to pieces,

no Asherah poles or incense altars
will be left standing.
10 The fortified city stands desolate,
an abandoned settlement, forsaken like the wilderness;
there the calves graze,
there they lie down;
they strip its branches bare.
11 When its twigs are dry, they are broken off
and women come and make fires with them.
For this is a people without understanding;
so their Maker has no compassion on them,
and their Creator shows them no favor.

12 In that day the Lord will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, Israel, will be gathered up one by one. 13 And in that day a great trumpet will sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the Lord on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.



Isaiah 13
God's Message to Babylon
1 God showed Isaiah son of Amoz this message about Babylon:
2 Raise a flag on the bare mountain.
Call out to the men.
Raise your hand to signal them
to enter through the gates for important people.
3 I myself have commanded those people
whom I have separated as mine.
I have called those warriors to carry out my anger.
They rejoice and are glad to do my will.

4 Listen to the loud noise in the mountains,
the sound of many people.
Listen to the noise among the kingdoms,
the sound of nations gathering together.
The Lord All-Powerful is calling
his army together for battle.
5 This army is coming from a faraway land,
from the edge of the horizon.
In anger the Lord is using this army like a weapon
to destroy the whole country.

6 Cry, because the Lord's day of judging is near;
the Almighty is sending destruction.
7 People will be weak with fear,
and their courage will melt away.
8 Everyone will be afraid.
Pain and hurt will grab them;
they will hurt like a woman giving birth to a baby.
They will look at each other in fear,
with their faces red like fire.

God's Judgment Against Babylon
9 Look, the Lord's day of judging is coming-
a terrible day, a day of God's anger.
He will destroy the land
and the sinners who live in it.
10 The stars will not show their light;
the skies will be dark.
The sun will grow dark as it rises,
and the moon will not give its light.

11 The Lord says, "I will punish the world for its evil
and wicked people for their sins.
I will cause proud people to lose their pride,
and I will destroy the pride of those who are cruel to others.
12 People will be harder to find than pure gold;
there will be fewer people than there is fine gold in Ophir.
13 I will make the sky shake,
and the earth will be moved from its place
by the anger of the Lord All-Powerful
at the time of his burning anger.

14 "Then the people from Babylon will run away like hunted deer
or like sheep who have no shepherd.
Everyone will turn back to his own people;
each will run back to his own land.
15 Everyone who is captured will be killed;
everyone who is caught will be killed with a sword.
16 Their little children will be beaten to death in front of them.
Their houses will be robbed
and their wives raped.

17 "Look, I will cause the armies of Media to attack Babylon.
They do not care about silver
or delight in gold.
18 Their soldiers will shoot the young men with arrows;
they will show no mercy on children,
nor will they feel sorry for little ones.
19 Babylon is the most beautiful of all kingdoms,
and the Babylonians are very proud of it.
But God will destroy it
like Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 No one will ever live there
or settle there again.
No Arab will put a tent there;
no shepherd will bring sheep there.
21 Only desert animals will live there,
and their houses will be full of wild dogs.
Owls will live there,
and wild goats will leap about in the houses.
22 Wolves will howl within the strong walls,
and wild dogs will bark in the beautiful buildings.
The end of Babylon is near;
its time is almost over."

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:59:25 AM PDT
Well for one Kevin, Jesus knew His brother James would be busy running His Church. Especially checking up on the teachings of a couple of other Apostles in Antioch. Even sending men to observe, then report back to him.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:03:16 AM PDT
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You could be right Karen, but for all of the fuss Faith makes about "no" votes on Scripture posts it just seems a teensy bit hypocritical.

Way too much Spirit Breathed Scriptures on all Jesus's brothers and sisters.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:07:40 AM PDT
Then likewise it can be claimed that no one ever said, "Listen up everyone, those others we think are Jesus' siblings can't be because His mother's a virgin!"

Although in actuality, an angel did proclaim to Joseph that Mary's Baby was Fathered by the Holy Spirit, as Scripture tells us.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:09:40 AM PDT
Nonsense, Karen -

Those who claim "Scripture only" can see what the Bible says; the SAME THING is assumed about Joseph that is ASSUMED about Christ's siblings.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:12:08 AM PDT
Well, so she would think, anyway...

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:16:56 AM PDT
Matthew -

Does anyone ever address the points you make?

Guess they're just too Flickin' Chicken.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:26:10 AM PDT
Isn't it strange how extra-Scriptural is *okay* with some people when it suits them?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:26:29 AM PDT
Thank you, JEM.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 5:34:54 AM PDT
You are correct, JEM -

Such statements DO add to the Word of God.
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