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Marriage is a human institution, it is not the sole purview of your own religion.


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In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:51:06 PM PDT
Bryan,

Believe it or not, it was sort of suggested by a rep from the LDS. The comment was something to the effect that the fact that the state had added benefits and privileges .... I thought it was insightful. I don't think the RCC would be as observant. And they are the only other church that openly states that they don't recognize state marriages! I'm not sure about the lobbying that the LDS has been accused of, but in that light it seemed even more insightful. I certainly don't think they were approving of "same sex" marriage.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:38:55 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
I get reminded alot of the Queen in Alice in Wonderland

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:32:55 PM PDT
Craig says:
Tell me about it, I'm 52 and have worked my butt off all my life. I don't expect I'll ever really retire, even if I want to.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:31:08 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
karma is a b**** :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:30:01 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Forget about getting ahead, just trying to stay even is a job.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:26:29 PM PDT
Craig,

Well there are separate bigamy laws, and at the moment they aren't exclusive! But, to answer your question, I think it is because there are those that do not realize that what the state certifies is a legal relationship.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 4:23:53 PM PDT
Bryan,

But for some reason there are some who think these benefits and rights should be restricted. I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if, to be equal, we just got rid of those benefits and rights;-)

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 3:35:16 PM PDT
Craig says:
Bryan Borich says: "And insofar as I'm concerned any couple (or group, multiple wives/husbands/other) that wants to get 'married' should be able to, if they are of reasonable maturity."

Why is that so hard for people to accept? I think it is where things are heading. It's getting difficult for two people to make enough money to get ahead. If the one stops working to rear children then it gets even harder.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 3:08:31 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
On the one hand, I don't really care about 'marriages', it's something that only matters to the state in regards to benefits and rights.

And insofar as I'm concerned any couple (or group, multiple wives/husbands/other) that wants to get 'married' should be able to, if they are of reasonable maturity.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 2:23:34 PM PDT
Bubba,

Agreed. And some of those can be more fatal than HIV. (Georgia comes to mind, and that wasn't a needle stick!)

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 2:19:20 PM PDT
Bubba says:
Accidental sticks from needles that are found on the ground transfer many diseases; like HIV/AIDS, hep b, or hep c from blood contamination, and also from pathogens present on the ground in the areas that the needles are found.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 2:13:14 PM PDT
Bryan,

Bored I understand. But I wanted you to argue for civil marriages for all, and for all a good night!

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 2:08:25 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
because I was bored :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 2:04:47 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Yeap. Doesn't mean you hold to it though.

And yes there are prophets.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:49:42 PM PDT
Bubba,

If you are infected and are not required to "exchange" your needle. You leave it for others to become infected. Of course, it could also stop the litter in many areas --- but I remember it as a prevention solution first.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:39:20 PM PDT
Bubba says:
I had forgotten about the exchange programs being effective in getting used needles off the streets, that is a major problem in some areas.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:33:15 PM PDT
Precisely, on the exchange programs.

Although I've seen some groups advocating that abstinence solves "all things", I've been aware of Christian groups that were helping with exchange programs --- the exchange being necessary to get the "used" one off the streets too!

Drug addiction affects all people, in all walks of life. It is a shame that that isn't as obvious as it could be.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:29:13 PM PDT
Bubba,

I knew you'd have the exact words. Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:28:17 PM PDT
Bubba,

Only if you use them, and once the word was out they were used!!!

It is so sad that the world hasn't learned that condoms are effective!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:14:26 PM PDT
Bubba says:
That is why syringe exchange programs are important, and why the Republicans and many Christian groups are AGAINST syringe exchange programs.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:12:10 PM PDT
Bubba says:
The early AIDS prevention groups used to stress that "natural" condoms (I think that they are made from sheep intestines) are useless in preventing the spread of AIDS. I don't think that "natural" condoms are still being sold in the US.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 1:07:35 PM PDT
Bubba says:
Reed N.D. Dark says: "But then again, if you were willing to recognize that the gay communities aggressive education started to show a sharp drop in STDs among gays, you'd have to admit sex education works!!!!"

It also shows that condoms are effective in preventing the spread in STDs.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 12:43:48 PM PDT
Nat,

Sorry, I wasn't trying proselytize . I was just pointing out that not being gay was not a requirement for some Christian churches, if you wanted that option.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 12:40:50 PM PDT
Nat,

I just remember the movement in the 80's before syringes were available and at the beginning of when the heterosexual population was discovering not being gay wasn't required, adequate, or anything else. As the gays began to shut down their own baths and advocate condoms their infection rate was going down --- while the reverse was happening in the heterosexual population. It turns out sex education works, at least in the gay population!

Of course, a drug addict has barely enough money for drugs ... clean syringes are often not as high of a priority.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 12:31:53 PM PDT
Bubba,

Thanks, I'll put that on the list with others. Sometimes a publisher gives me an idea. I think his synopsis gave me the first clue!
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