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Does voting for non Christian or false Christians equate to a mortal sin?


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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 3:20:36 PM PDT
Craig says:
What was voted for in Jesus day? What could Jesus have voted on? He was not a Roman citizen and had no rights at all.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 3:36:01 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Assuming Jesus was allowed to vote, I doubt that he'd vote to withhold health care coverage from his fellow citizens. He probably would vote to provide funds for social welfare programs to care for the poor. He probably would not vote to give special tax exemptions to money lenders.

Responding to the OP, everyone had better hope that there's no God-penalty for voting for "false Christians." Given the number of conflicting Christian denominations there certainly thousands more ways to be a "false Christian" in any given election than there are candidates. All candidates are probably "false Christians" in the opinion of *some* Christian.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 3:43:53 PM PDT
Craig says:
NeoPaganBaby says: "All candidates are probably "false Christians" in the opinion of *some* Christian."

Isn't that the truth, Christians accuse other Christians of being false Christians, it makes my head spin. Sometimes I feel ashamed that I ever called myself one.

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 3:53:26 PM PDT
MLC says:
There is only one unforgivable sin -- refusing to acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. So, no, a Christian won't go to hell for voting for a non-Christian.

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 4:00:22 PM PDT
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G. J. Stein says:
@James Peabody:

As a Christian you may find it a bit more insightful to ask this question to a Jehovah's Witness.
They hold dearly to what they call the Separation of Church and State. Make sure you ask a senior member though because many of the underlings are not going to be able to get as sophisticated with you as you may desire.

I find that taking the approach of; "shouldn't adults do whatever they can to protect and assure a decent future for their children", is a bit of a stump for them. It takes the focus off "just them" before God, and puts it on those who are not wise enough or able to make those important decisions.

Yes, we trust the Lord, but if the Lord allows us the privilege of having a voice in the outcome of public matters...?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:02:35 PM PDT
Book worm says:
There were Romans who became Jesus followers, and many that held office withdrew, it's clearly in the scriptures and in history.

Your thinking as if Jesus and his disciples only had an option to run for office in Rome, Jesus could of set up the strongest human government elsewhere and crushed the Roman empire if that's your only arguments.
Jesus could of started his own earthly government, as they wanted to make him an earthly king, he could of feed so much more, raised so much more from the dead, his word would of spread quicker, but that was not the solution and not the example he set for us.

Historically, and Biblically as I've pointed out throughout the string of posts, Jesus and early Christians were firm in this position of not being involved in any political scene, in rovolt, in war, or in support for or against any of them. Christ himself told a Roman politician, nearly two thousand years ago, `My kingdom is not of this world.'

Another factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does.
* (1 Timothy 5:22) 22 Never lay your hands hastily upon any man; neither be a sharer in the sins of others; preserve yourself chaste.
Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.
Similar to how many blame the Catholic church, for voting/supporting Hitler in office, before things went bad.

Finally as Jesus himself said, and if we believe that God's kingdom is establish our vote is only for this government, not any other earthly government.
* (John 18:35, 36) . . ." 36 Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."

Satan offered all the governments of the world for one act of worship, why because they were all under his control.

* (Ephesians 2:1, 2) . . ., 2 in which YOU at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience.
* (John 14:29, 30) . . .. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,
* (1 John 5:19) 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.
* (John 17:15, 16) . . .. 16 They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:31:58 PM PDT
A customer says:
Assuming? You do understand that much of Christianity has spent the last five hundred years not agreeing, sometimes violently, with what God has to say.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:53:54 PM PDT
Iatric says:
I was thinking of this earlier, because I've heard others say the same thing. But that statement was in regards to taxes, which I would think was by law required. But voting is not required by law, so why would it fall under the same statement. A civic duty, yes. But is it really a Christian duty. Christ seemed to not get involved in the politics of his time. So is it really required of a Christian to get involved in politics?

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 4:56:39 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 8:21:41 PM PDT
reply to Cioran Sellers's post:

yes

unless you are RC then you have to vote how the pope tells you or go to hell

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 8:24:12 PM PDT
reply to James Peabody's post:

nobody cares whether you vote or not

but if you vote then better do it for someone who will run the govt right
not run it into the ground or worse

voting for someone that keeps starting needless wars would be a no no too

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 8:26:35 PM PDT
reply to Book worm's post:

you have none that says they did not
didnt paul claim to be a roman citizen and demand to be seen by caesar
when the local yokels wanted to off him

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 8:28:17 PM PDT
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reply to Eric Pyle's post:

and they would be wrong
RC always try to team up with govt to have more power

if they want to help the poor they would get the govt out of the loop taking their share of the taxes before a little gets used for the poor

private charities waste less in fraud and much less in admin overhead
if you want to help people then you must abolish the govt and the RCc

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 8:32:50 PM PDT
reply to Iatric's post:

required no (tbd)
allowed to - for sure

it seems that when the govt is evil
and some party wants to do bad things
you have to get involved to vote to stop them

govt stole the charity biz from religion
and the govt is very wasteful

want to help the poor then get govt out of the loop
let private charity which wastes less and uses less for admin costs give more to the poor while letting us keep soem too and let the govt stop spending so much on things that dont work like they claimed they would

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 10:13:08 PM PDT
Iatric says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:37:13 PM PDT
I would not knowingly vote for someone who isn't a Christian. God is the only One who can judge whether or not one is a false Christian. I use the Bible as my guide when deciding who will get my vote. I am not one willing to vote for the lesser of two evils either.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:38:44 PM PDT
By which Bible are you determining the 27 books?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 10:41:30 PM PDT
Craig, if one bases their vote on the issues using the 10 Commandments as their guide, the Bible is very clear and the Holy Spirit will guide you.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 11:54:23 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Owned By Kitties is Keepin' The Faith Alive says: "I would not knowingly vote for someone who isn't a Christian. God is the only One who can judge whether or not one is a false Christian."
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Seems to me a professed *non*Christian might be preferable to a fake one. Hitler as an example.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 6:13:58 AM PDT
Then YOU vote for the fake Christian, Neo.

Posted on Apr 28, 2012 6:23:08 AM PDT
JJB says:
i am oft fascinated how people can attempt to use the bible.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 9:22:47 AM PDT
reply to Owned By Kitties is Keepin' The Faith Alive's post:

i think you got that backwards

hitler was the fake
you would vote for him cause he claimed he was

but would not vote for a good person with ethics and morals who says he is not

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 12:52:46 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
No, you're the one who said you'd vote for a fake Christian over a non-Christian. I would vote for the one who represented the best ethical values and stated agenda, and who appeared most honest. Experience tells me this is not necessarily the "Christian."

I tend to be skeptical of anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve in the process of pursuing a political or business goal. From personal experience a loan shark I knew with a fish symbol on his card. More generally, Nigerian money scam emails that usually start out "Dear Brother or Sister in Christ."

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:06:34 PM PDT
whomper, I'm not talking about Hitler. I'm talking about any and ALL fake Christians. I would not vote for ANYONE whose views do not agree with God's. I always take the issues to Him in prayer and He lets me know His views in His Word.

I did not vote for Obama in 2008 even tho he claimed to be a Christian. It came down to the issue of abortion (he and I were in agreement on everything else at the time). The things I have learned about him since mean that he will not get my vote in 2012 either.

Kindly do not presume to tell me who I would vote for in the elections. Only God and I know that.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:10:18 PM PDT
reply to Owned By Kitties is Keepin' The Faith Alive's post:

who are you to judge who is fake and who is real

cant the fakers fake you into believing they are real
cant the real ones play it cool so you dont know what they are

clearly you will vote for whoever the pope tells you to

i voted for bama cause baby bush was the most evil man to walk this planet

anything else than the grumpy old pervert party had to be an improvement
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