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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 8:23:04 PM PDT
Jon Astro says:
A.Hull: "..but no schools of higher education until the founding of Georgetown University in 1791,180 years after Harvard was founded."

Certainly, the schools of Paris and London in the early middle ages, were places of 'high learning' according to the knowledge base of the time.Hence
Aquinas and John Calvin were able to study at very high institutions, with standards of memory and discipline that put us moderns to shame.But,the
access to the Bible and any real critical thinking was kept away from the laity,and given to only the Priestly cast, and with exception,those who had the
capacity to do law and theology at these higher schools.After the enlightenment,these same Catholic schools in Europe,became not Protestant,but mainly
open to the rampant agnosticism of the 18th century.It is only with the formation of America and the beginning of separatists, Protestant churches and
Puritans,that enabled a much higher educational institution to form. The exception of course, is the Vatican's monopoly on education in Rome. The result
being,that the 1000 years before the Reformation,saw the darkest period of biblical ignorance for the man in the street,in history.All because of the
monopoly of biblical knowledge,being owned by Rome. Jon

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 8:10:18 PM PDT
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Jon Astro says:
Raulito and Andthe., Here is a Protestant that surprise surprise,is in full agreement with you on this one. I think anthe,is not correct to suppose, that this is a Catholic versus Protestant issue.People on both sides of the fence have various views on when a person becomes a person. However,the Bible isn't the only source one should use in coming to an opinion. Science helps one understand as well.And it happens to be a fact, when all the chromosomes are formed soon after conception,ALL of the components of what the person will be are there.The soul may or may not be there in,peoples' opinions,but the
Bible in numerous places calls the unborn child a person,as for
eg.,Gen.25:23,Num12:12,Judges13:5,16:17,Ruth1:11,Job3:11,Ps.22:10,Ps71:6,Ps.139:13,Is.49:1 Luke 1:15, Lk.1:44. And Luke 2:21 says that Jesus was given that name,which means Saviour,BEFORE he was conceived. This certainly means that after conception,Jesus was no mere lump of chemistry. He was to be many things,but also at the same time was Jesus BEFORE he was given birth to.This,along with the baby leaped for Joy in the mother's womb,says that the psychological component and spiritual component,was all there in Elizabeth's womb.Also,the Holy Spirit was with John in his mother's womb. A preposterous notion if the fetus is a mere lump of chemistry.

Science now, has advanced to the point,that psychological abuse in the womb is considered a fact. A fetus that is subjected to strong mood swings from
the mother's depression or anxiety,also inherits some of the mother's psychological propensities. MRI machines have successfully shown beyond doubt,that
the fetus feels emotion and has psychological states of anxiety and moods. All this can be found in standard medical and psychological literature, on pre-
natal psychology. There have been BBC documentaries demonstrating the psychological findings. This stuff has been out for some time. Jon.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 5:44:26 PM PDT
and, a fetus IS a person, hence Elizabeth called Mary the Mother of the Lord, He who was a FETUS in the womb of Mary. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:35:03 AM PDT
Raulito says:
andthe,

Scripture says "...in sin did my mother conceive me..." Psalm 51:5.

Who is the ME referring to? Is that a human person, or only a fetus? Since when is the "ME" not a person? LoL.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:31:38 AM PDT
QUESTER says:
Raulito says:
Al,

"oh, you mean as soon as they subjugated and enslaved the local population, like the Conquistadores in South and Latin America and the American southwest..."

Ever heard of cowboys and indian wars? LoL. I hope you don't think the Protestant cowboys had a great record in the northern continent. Plus, lynching blacks and burning witches was extra.
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So ... Catholics didn't didn't do their part in subjugating Africans ... or burning witches ???

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:30:57 AM PDT
you can cherry pick a single verse to prove anything
even that there is no God

you need to understand the entire bible
once you actually have read it

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:29:23 AM PDT
Raulito says:
andthe,

"read the bible and see what it really says"

This is what the Bible says "..For at the moment your greeting reached my ears, the child in my womb leaped for joy..." Luke 1:44.

The Bible says its a human child, created in the image of God.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:27:37 AM PDT
Raulito says:
andthe,

"per jewish law from God the head must be fully out for it to become a person"

God never said that.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:27:00 AM PDT
Raulito says:
andthe,

"a person is not a person until they have been past tense born..."

Says who? You?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:22:53 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:21:20 AM PDT
Raulito says:
andthe,

How can you speak for God, when you won't even acknowledge that God creates a human child in the womb?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:18:59 AM PDT
yet you support the biggest evil doers ever

wake up and smell the coffee
the whore of babylon is built on lies
and more lies plus pagan practices
and evils like murder torture buggery and cover up
...

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:17:16 AM PDT
Raulito says:
andthe,

"just because someone else does evil does not mean all the bigger evils the rcc has done are okay..."

No kidding!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 9:08:38 AM PDT
just because someone else does evil
does not mean all the bigger evils teh rcc has done are okay

the whore of babylon will take you down with it
run now while you can still escape
or burn for eternity

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:29:20 AM PDT
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Raulito says:
Al,

"oh, you mean as soon as they subjugated and enslaved the local population, like the Conquistadores in South and Latin America and the American southwest..."

Ever heard of cowboys and indian wars? LoL. I hope you don't think the Protestant cowboys had a great record in the northern continent. Plus, lynching blacks and burning witches was extra.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 7:26:31 AM PDT
Ferdinand says:
B. Josephson says:
Actually I don't know which were the first universities in Latin America, though I suspect the locations would be Havanna, Mexico City, Lima, and Sao Paulo.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat
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I may be wrong, but, I believe was Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 1:52:25 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 1, 2012 1:55:25 AM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Unlike the kind Protestants? The noble British empire with it's white man's burden?

Or perhaps you mean the kind Indian policy of Protestants in the United States.

People in glass houses...

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaaat

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2012 1:41:22 AM PDT
A. Hull says:
Raulito says:

"That's because the first European settlers in the New England area were Protestant. I'm talking about the first European settlers in the new World, after the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1492."

Oh, you mean as soon as they subjugated and enslaved the local population, like the Conquistadors in South and Latin America and the American Southwest.

Al

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 9:36:39 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Actually I don't know which were the first universities in Latin America, though I suspect the locations would be Havanna, Mexico City, Lima, and Sao Paulo.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 9:33:06 PM PDT
Raulito says:
Hull,

"Not in the United States. The 2nd oldest universities in the U.SA are Harvard, founded in 1620 by Puritan ministers, and Yale, founded 1701 by Congregationalist ministers..."

That's because the first European settlers in the New England area were Protestant. I'm talking about the first European settlers in the new World, after the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1492.

Catholicism has never been uncomfortable with education and learning.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 9:13:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 31, 2012 9:15:30 PM PDT
A. Hull says:
Raulito says:

"I doubt it. The first major colleges and universities in Europe and the new world were built by the Catholic Church. Education and learning has never been an issue for the Catholic Church."

Not in the United States. The 2 oldest universities in the U.S.A. are Harvard, founded 1620 by Puritan ministers, and Yale, founded 1701 by Congregationalist ministers.

The RCC had a small school apparently equal to an elementary school in St. Augustine, Fl. in 1606,and a few in other colonies, but no schools of higher education until the founding of Georgetown University in 1791, 180 years after Harvard was founded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Catholic_education_in_the_United_States#Colonial_era

Al

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 8:34:42 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 8:20:21 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 31, 2012 8:21:07 PM PDT
A. Hull says:
jpl says:
"[jpl:] Does the Catholic religion hold exclusivity on ignorance?"

No, it's not confined to any particular religion, or people with a lack thereof.

Al

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 7:42:39 PM PDT
Raulito says:
jpl,

"Does the Catholic religion hold exclusivity on ignorance?

I doubt it. The first major colleges and universities in Europe and the new world were built by the Catholic Church. Education and learning has never been an issue for the Catholic Church.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 31, 2012 6:02:28 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Well, if you have been reading some of the recent posts, you know the answer...

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat
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