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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 2:34:37 PM PDT
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Iatric says:
"Based on your post, Glad 2B didn't understand the point either"

Yes, I didn't realize people were so clueless regarding Islam. My mistake.

The difference between what you say about Christians (of any era who wrongly did things in God's name) and Islams is that, for a Christian to do those things was to go against what Christ taught. For an Islam to do those things, they are doing what Mohammed taught. Only one of those groups is in error when they do violence in the name of God.

And no, it's not necessary to point out the things God had the Jewish people do. Those were specific things for a specific time. There is no "convert or kill" in Christianity.

As for the word infidel, I prefer unbeliever. If there are those that follow, there are those who do not. Choose the name for those who do not, it really doesn't matter what they are called. So no, it's not a matter of definition.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 6:19:01 PM PDT
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Kaisen says:
Hello Kevin Bold,
Re. If John wrote Revelation in 90AD, he could have been fortelling the fall of the Roman Empire.

Yes, it is possible that the fall of the Roman Empire was predicted, however the scale of events, geographical imperatives and aftermath events do not seem to fit.
But yes as you say it is possible.

Much is said concerning modern era eschatology (dispensationalism) and how it supposedly began with Darby, was advanced by Scoffield, and promoted by the Azuza street revival. It is noteworthy that the western Church during the Crusades had a very similar eschatologigal view, they thought the end times were at hand and given their situation we probably would come to the same conclusion.

It's the scale of events (size of armies, devastating and unprecedented destruction, and revival of the state of Israel) that gives great credibility to the Azuza types but that's about the extent of their credibility and may be the true role the Holy Spirit has assigned for them.

Our speculations are not to be discouraged, it is a strong indicator of a genuine hope for Christ's return.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 6:22:15 PM PDT
"Real" Muslim people don't want to kill anybody. Just like "Real" Christians don't hate people and wish them damnation.

Posted on Apr 3, 2012 6:33:23 PM PDT
Kaisen says:
To Glad to be Gaelic,
Re. "Real" Muslim people don't want to kill anybody. Just like "Real" Christians don't hate people and wish them damnation.

Gosh I feel contrary today;
real muslims and real Christians hate and wish damnation with no abandon. Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one. We are all black hearted murderers deep down, that is why we need God's grace and correction.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 6:39:33 PM PDT
Babylonian Dynasty

Dynasty was a night time soap and the Fluke and Rush soap does air at night time. I say A OK!:))

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 6:54:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 3, 2012 7:00:08 PM PDT
Kaisen says:
Hey NeoPaganBaby,

Sorry, Jihad is a muslim concept and to understand it one needs to have a muslim define it.

The Aryan (NAZI) driven holocaust simply employed the logical conclusion of evolutionism.
i.e. if all creatures evolve and mankind is a creature, mankind is in a changing state, (it was assumed for man to be an advancing change of state).
Obviously some are advancing quicker than others and since the Aryans discovered this first they must be be more 'advanced' and others not so much and perhaps then not even human.
We haven't changed a bit, there is still among us the tendency to dehumanize what we dislike which supposedly gives us the authority to exterminate it.
There is also among us the tendency to want to be god which has the same effect.

The current 'fundies' may be exited about Armageddon and others may not, it doesn't matter.
God will determine the course of events and that very likely will someday include an Armageddon, you won't like it, I won't like it, and neither will the 'fundies' in that respect we are all alike.

Yes it would be a good thing if 'infidels' were not a concept or rather they did not exist.
Infidels are simply those who are unfaithful or rather those without faith, unfortunately there is plenty of that to go around.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 7:01:39 PM PDT
Kaisen says:
Pretty good Corinne,

Live clean, die nasty I think was the motto of that show.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 7:58:40 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Iatric: As for the word infidel, I prefer unbeliever. If there are those that follow, there are those who do not.
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Arguing what Jesus "would have wanted" is pretty much irrelevant. Where the rubber meets the road both Christians and Muslims have killed their rivals in the name of their religions, and Christians have killed far more than Muslims.

You can't just take a snapshot of a timeline staring on 9/11/2001, pretend that "all the things God had the Jewish people do" in the OT don't count, and just write off all the Christian killers throughout history as non "true Christians." Well, I guess you can, but you can't do it while remaining intellectually honest.

I object to the "otherness" implied by both "infidel" and "unbeliever." I would prefer to live in a world where there's no need for *any* pejorative term for people of a different (or no) religious faith.

In the words of John Lennon "nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too."

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:07:05 PM PDT
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Isn't that the motto we all strive for? Dying ain't clean.:) I never really got into Dienasty, but I did love me some JR and the Older guy who is now on Revenge! I love Revenge! Nolan is adorable!:) Emily is da bomb!:)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:11:34 PM PDT
"You can't just take a snapshot of a timeline staring on 9/11/2001, pretend that "all the things God had the Jewish people do" in the OT don't count, and just write off all the Christian killers throughout history as non "true Christians." Well, I guess you can, but you can't do it while remaining intellectually honest."

A lot of truthseekers believe that the Jews were responsible for 911.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:13:36 PM PDT
Oy...

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:14:35 PM PDT
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"In the words of John Lennon "nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too."

I do not wish to share my toothbrush. Possessions are useful, sometimes!:)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:16:13 PM PDT
reply to Glad to be Gaelic's post:

you got into our forum on your own
we didnt seek you out for this

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:16:41 PM PDT
reply to Iatric's post:

that is ironic
as muhammad is a false prophet

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 8:18:13 PM PDT
reply to Kevin Bold's post:

that is one popular interpretation
and 666 = nero caesar

martin luther said it does not belong in the bible

who really knows

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 9:12:13 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Perhaps you're right. I have a toothbrush that's "to die for." ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 9:16:20 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
whomper: 666 = nero caesar
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Also the address of an apartment building on O'Farrell Street in SF. I used to walk by it and wonder what kind of stigma would go along with living there.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 9:22:00 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
whomper: muhammad is a false prophet
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Hmm, your view must have softened a bit. On the last page you were saying he was THE false prophet. You know, the "most falsest prophet ever?" The one that's "more falser than the others?"

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 9:28:56 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Corinne MV: A lot of truthseekers believe that the Jews were responsible for 911.
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Well I don't know if we're talking "truthseekers" here or not. There a lot of neofacists who would blame the Jews for anything. Likewise a lot of Christian Zionists who think the Jews' santorum don't stink.

What would be the motive for the Jews engineering the 911 attack?

Posted on Apr 3, 2012 9:52:53 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
If I was going to reincarnate as a Bible woman the Great Whore of Babylon would be a pretty good choice. I'm sure she'd have more fun than the Virgin Mary.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 9:58:16 PM PDT
I do hope you are being facetious, because John says no possessions, I get it and dig his message, but it does not click with the way we have let our society roll.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 10:01:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 3, 2012 10:02:43 PM PDT
:)))They named themselves the Truthseekers. Some believe it was the reptilians, some believe it was the Jews, and some believe it was an inside job. I do believe it was an inside job. But hey, who really knows, but the elite?;))

Posted on Apr 3, 2012 10:29:14 PM PDT
Kaisen says:
Hey folks we are having a lot of fun, however Whomper started this thread by raising a very serious issue regarding the Whore of Babylon.
When I read about her I marvel much like John must have done when he wrote it.
My blood runs cold when I get to part where she is drunk from the blood of saints.
That's me, and it's probably many of you too should we live through the events caused by this great whore.
It includes any persecuted faithful Christian; Catholics, Baptists, SDA, and as we speak Egyptian and Sudanese Coptics.
In like manner many Jews have suffered and for the same reasons.

Here are the Bible verses relating to Whomper's subject (I cut it off at V7, the ff explains V1-6):
May I suggest reading and internalizing these words without applying our own spin.
The Word of the Lord:

REV 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials,
and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto
thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
REV 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and
the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of
her fornication.
REV 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw
a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of
blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
REV 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked
with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in
her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
REV 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE
GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
REV 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with
the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered
with great admiration.
REV 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will
tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth
her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012 11:25:13 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 3, 2012 11:26:08 PM PDT
NeoPaganBaby says:
Well, as they holler at the Rocky Horror Picture Show, "Not the book, the movie!" >>>

http://www.filmnet.com/films/cup_o_abominations/

Compare and contrast >>>>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9H_cI_WCnE

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2012 4:50:16 PM PDT
reply to NeoPaganBaby's post:

666 = no problem
it is just a number

the guy who owns that number is to be watched carefully
otherwise it is just a number

very stupid and superstitious to be worried about it

and dumber to be seeing thing that look like it everywhere and making a big deal about them
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