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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 2:34:15 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 24, 2012 2:46:26 AM PDT
TN says:
<<Fear of death is an evolutionary trait which favors survival,>>

Possibly. True Muslims love death more than life.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 2:38:52 AM PDT
TN says:
<<wait 120 years
i guarantee you will find out firsthand that i was right >>

That I know is not biblical. So your "revelation" is from where/who

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 2:43:51 AM PDT
TN says:
<<That implies that "one who follows Christ" is not compatible with "the pope or any brand name religion or any building with a logo on it nor any tv guy begging for more money ">>


Posted on Jun 24, 2012 10:30:34 AM PDT
mrs exp, I'm sincerely glad you're not afraid of death. But I have still met many Christians who have told me that death terrifies them (they don't bring this up around other Christians though, they put up the brave face and say "of course I'm not afraid, God will take care of me", because that's what they're expected to say. Around me, it's a different story.)

Death will happen whether I want it or not. I see no purpose in wasting energy worrying about something I can't control. I certainly hope it's not painful; I'm a little afraid of the manner of my death. But death itself? Nah. Everyone has had to go through it. Everyone. I will too. Big deal.

All I can do is live my life to the best of my judgement and hope for the best. That's all anyone can do. What happens after that will take care of itself.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 10:51:27 AM PDT
TN says:
<<live my life to the best of my judgement>>

Of course. The issue here is Mexican drug lords (and others societies consider criminal) also think they're living their life to the best of their judgment.

OTOH, if you live your life with the ideal of loving your neighbors like yourself, then you're on the right track.

As a comparison, no one would say the drug lords love other drug lords.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 1:37:20 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Jack Vix,
You're right I have done enough to face God's judgment. I don't believe in eternal conscious torture hell. And if I was before him in court I would be trembling with fear, but He would say dry your tears, your debt has been paid.

Well that another thing I don't believe we are going to go to heaven, Jesus will return here to this earth the dead will be raised and we who are alive will join them and meet Him in the air and escort him down to earth. He will set up his kingdom without crime or disease or death. And if this fallen earth is as beautiful as it is and if there are so many things to see and do and learn, I think life in the next age will be much more exciting than it is now. I don't have any worries about being bored.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 1:42:51 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
David K Myers,

Are they afraid of death or the years before death. Are they afraid of being in pain, unable to take care of themselves.

Why would death terrify anyone if atheists are right we will all fertilize the earth and if Christians are right we will be raised to new life. About other religions I know not what they believe.

A nurse was on these threads a while back and she worked in a hospice. She said that most of the Christians died with a peaceful smile and it was the unbelievers that feared death.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 4:18:46 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 9:40:26 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
I know we disagree on this. But I don't think it makes either of a non-Christian. I wish you God's peace and blessings.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 11:59:26 PM PDT
Tinker says:
It doesn't save us, but there are blessings when we study end times. Here's an article you might find interesting.



The next event on God's prophetic clock is the Rapture, a word that is derived from the Latin word rapturo, meaning, "a snatching away." The Rapture is that dramatic moment when the Lord Jesus Christ comes in clouds of glory to remove from this world all who have died in Christ along with the living from the Day of Pentecost until Christ comes to "snatch" His children upward and home in the twinkling of an eye. I Thessalonians 4:16-18 teaches: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

This event will occur at breakneck speed - in the "twinkling of an eye." Scientists have measured the twinkling in a human being's eye, and it amounts to eleven-one hundredths of a second. Those left on the earth will not know what hit them. A business colleague will suddenly be gone. A schoolteacher will no longer stand before his or her desk as the chalk falls to the floor. A doctor will not show up for his rounds. There will be no nurses at many hospitals to administer medicine, take pulses, or follow doctors' orders. Dirty dishes will be left in the sink as a housewife disappears from the view of her stunned family. The Rapture will precipitate the greatest traffic jams in history as cars suddenly become driverless and pedestrians run for cover. It will be that moment in history, when, without warning, the Lord says, "Come up hither" (Revelation 4:1). It will be the greatest escape in the history of the world.

There are those who say that the pretribulational viewpoint began in 1830 and was propagated by Edward Irving, J. N. Darby, and Margaret McDonald, a retarded girl. But as we shall see, that is not so.

St. Victorinus, the bishop of Pettau, wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation in AD 270. he said he saw another great and wonderful sign: "Seven angels having the last seven plagues, for in them is completed the indignation of God. And these shall be in the last time when the church shall have gone out of the midst." St. Victorinus was talking about the Rapture.

Here is more powerful documentation on a pretrib Rapture. The early Christian writer and poet Ephraem the Syrian (who lived from AD 306 to 373) was a major theologian of the early Byzantine Eastern Church. To this day, his hymns and homilies are used in the liturgy of the Greek Orthodox and Middle Eastern Nestorian Churches. He also wrote a large number of commentaries that have never been translated in English. Concerning a pretrib Rapture he stated: "All the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

Thus, this teaching is not a present-day innovation but a doctrinal statement dating back seventeen centuries to St. Victorinus, and twenty centuries back to Jesus and Paul. However, there is more. In the sixteenth century there were also those who expressed absolute assurance of the Rapture. Hugh Latimer, burned at the stake for his faith in 1555, said, "It may come in my days, old as I am, or in my children's days, the saints shall be taken up to meet Christ in the air and so shall come down with him again." Joseph Mede, the great sixteenth-century literalist, understood I Thessalonians 4:13-18 to teach the catching up of the saints and even used the word Rapture. This was also 250 years before Irving, Darby, and McDonald.

While the Rapture is not taught in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, you will find it mentioned twice in the Gospel of John. This is important to remember: Any other time you read about Christ's return in the Gospels, it is not referring to the Rapture. Instead, these are references to the second phase of Christ's return, when He physically comes back to earth to rule over the earth after a seven-year tribulation period.

Where are the two Rapture texts found in the Gospel of John? John 14:1-3: "Let not your heart be troubled; ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." This is not His coming to the earth, but a time when Jesus receives us unto Himself at the great Rapture - the snatching away - to be with Him in heaven as the seven years of torment play out their unbridled fury on the earth.

The second reference to the Rapture is in John 11:25-26. I must confess that I quoted the passage for years and did not really understand it. Christ said: "I am the resurrection, and the life; he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" Jesus is contrasting those who experience death and live again ("the dead in Christ shall rise first" I Thessalonians 4:16) with those who never experience death (because "we which are alive and remain" are caught up without dying, I Thessalonians 4:17).

In the upcoming weeks, we will direct our attention to those events that are leading up to the Rapture, the Rapture itself, and what happens once God's chosen are caught away to be with the Lord. The Rapture is not science fiction. It's a coming reality. The good news for the person who is prepared is - when the Rapture comes, believers will go home to be with the Lord and evade earth's horrendous seven years of Tribulation. The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ will, at long last, be the recipient of that blessed hope. There will be no more tears, no more suffering, and no more dying for those who have received their new, glorified bodies without sin or sickness for all eternity. It is from this perspective - the pretribulation point of view - that I approach this subject with godly reverence

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 1:15:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2012 3:11:13 AM PDT
TN says:

What is God's purpose for human?

"Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."

To live on earth.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 9:53:29 AM PDT
but we picked the right one

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 9:54:48 AM PDT

you can accept Christ as your savior and get a guarantee for what happens next

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 9:56:22 AM PDT
put a check mark in that box

destroying the earth now with gross overpopulation

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:34:40 AM PDT
Nick Cage does. But only in the next 2 minutes.

Posted on Jun 26, 2012 6:53:00 AM PDT
Easter Lily says:

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 9:58:24 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2012 9:59:00 AM PDT
MLC says:
I'm looking forward to seeing Jesus face to face as well as all my loved ones who are already in heaven. But it's entirely in God's timing, not mine.

I have nothing to fear from death since Christ conquered it with his death and resurrection.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 11:06:40 AM PDT
B. Banks says:
True believers in Christ Jesus don't die, we cross-over.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 11:44:29 AM PDT
mrs exp says:
B Banks,
I haven't noticed you on these threads before. Welcome.

Posted on Nov 15, 2012 12:52:58 PM PST
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