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Scripture that proves the book of Mormon is not from God


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In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 10:06:40 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
"that is such a blantant and vile lie
a pox on you and your house for even suggesting such a thing ! "

Very Christian.

It's not a lie. The Mormons don't have the originals for their drek and the Christians don't have any originals for theirs. None of you has a clue what the "originals" actually said - if they ever existed.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 10:09:21 AM PDT
reply to Irish Lace's post:

Christians have their documents

mormons likely do not have any platinum plates hidden away

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:42:47 AM PDT
John says:
"All one has to do is read the Book of Mormon to tell whether it is from God or not."
All one has to do is read in the Bible where anyone who receives revelation for another gospel from an angel is to be accursed.Joseph Smith received his revelation for another gospel from an angel.Case closed.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:48:47 AM PDT
John says:
AGmaC
"In regard to the original statement: Joseph Smith did not teach a Gospel 'different' than the one that is taught in the New Testament. The Latter-day Saints believe the Bible to be the word of God. That should clear up the misinformation in your comment."
How is a wrong belief going to clear up anything?So if the LDS believe the Bible then they believe Joseph Smith got his revelation for another gospel from an angel,which is warned against.Therefore he is a false prophet.
"Joseph Smith did not teach a Gospel 'different' than the one that is taught in the New Testament." Oh really?So God sent an angel to Joseph Smith to give him a revelation for the exact same gospel He gave to Paul?Makes no sense at all.So you're saying the book of Mormon is the same gospel as the New Testament?I don't think so.It's different,it's another gospel and it was gotten from an angel so it's not from God.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:55:26 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 9:03:05 AM PDT
John says:
"JS taught that you could identify such beings by a handshake. Satan and his followers lack a physical body, and thus can't be felt."
Well demons can posses a human body.Look at the man who had a legion of demons inside of him.So looks like Joseph Smith was wrong,again.

"I know that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, because by revelation from God I have learned it is the word of God. By revelation from God I have learned his Son's church is here."
Even though Joseph Smith got his revelation for another gospel for an angel,which is warned against,you still believe the book of Mormon is the word of God?So what you;re saying is you don't believe the Bible(Galatians 1,8)?

"God by his prophets, has given me the best advice to live a happy life." So the Bible doesn't?

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:58:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 9:01:54 AM PDT
John says:
"The same way Peter knew Jesus was the Christ, is how LDS know the Book of Mormon is the word of God."
Well the same way Galatians 1,8 says Joseph Smith is to be accursed is how Christians know the book of Mormon is not of God.

""The same way Peter knew Jesus was the Christ, is how(Add any cult name here- LDS,Jehovah Witnesses,Muslims,followers of Jim Jones,David Koresh,etc.)know(Add the cult's book here- the Book of Mormon.Jehovah Witnesses Bible,the Koran,the teachings of Jim Jones and David Koresh,etc.) is the word of God."

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 9:15:43 AM PDT
Mickey says:
John,

I think you'd better try to prove the Bible is true before you go any further with this. Otherwise you're just going further and further out on a limb.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 11:50:37 AM PDT
John says:
Mickey
I think you'd better try to prove the Bible is true before you go any further with this. Otherwise you're just going further and further out on a limb."
I know the Bible is true because Jesus promised us the supernatural baptism of the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth,the peace that surpasses all understanding and the joy of the Lord.(In His presence there is FULLNESS of joy).Since I've given my life to Jesus I have experienced all of those.
Plus,like the Bible says,I have been supernaturally delivered and set free from drugs,alcohol,gambling,depression and pornography.Not only me but many other people have experienced the same things I have.
God gives us free will.You can choose not to believe the Bible and continue to live in darkness or surrender your life to Jesus and experience all that the Bible has to offer.The proof is in the Bible.All you have to do is read it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 12:04:52 PM PDT
Mickey says:
So the Bible is true because the Bible claims to be true?

Do you know what "Arguing in a Circle" is?

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 12:08:47 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 12:11:32 PM PDT
John says:
"Do you know what "Arguing in a Circle" is?"
Do you know what being supernaturally delivered from drugs,alcohol,gambling,depression and pornography is?Do you know what the peace that surpasses all understanding and the joy of the Lord is?

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 1:07:50 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 1:51:39 PM PDT
emac

Yes, you bring out an interesting point. I read one source which said Christians regularly celebrated the passover in a Jewish manner for 150 years after Christ's death and even participated in the controversy over whether it should be celebrated on 14 Nisan or 15 Nisan (the quartodeciman or quintodeciman dispute). And there was also the decision to permit those who grew up under Polycarp's and Ignatius's branches of the church in Asia and then moved to Rome, to conduct their services on Saturday. Finally, there is some evidence that James went to the temple in Jerusalem, until some authority decided it should not be allowed. You have covered this in other posts. I think if we had attended a Christian worship service in the early days it might have seemed rather Jewish to us.

What do you think? It is hard to know precisely how a service went, prior to Justin Martyr who left a good description of what a Christian worship service was like. While they had a bishop who presided at the meeting, the speaking was done by various members of the congregation, so the idea of audience participation sounds different from the process done today in many Christian congregations. (Anne Fremantle, a RCC, did a pretty good translation of Justin Martyr into English). Coptic Christian worship services seem a little Muslim to a westerner. And Eastern Orthodox services seem a little Medieval/Byzantine to the typical churchgoer from the U.S. even though the head patriarch speaks better English, with a better accent, than Anthony Hopkins. Patriarch John has to have the best voice in the world.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 1:36:28 PM PDT
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So John, if you think Paul was the only one who could ever give us revealed information, I guess you are violently opposed to women speaking in church, and agree that it is better not to marry, disapprove a paid clergy since Paul supported himself, etc. etc.

emac is correct that the gospel, or good news, was about Christ, that he was Savior and had been resurrected, Paul was teaching against those who tried to say otherwise, who were the Jews of the day.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 1:45:53 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 2:11:44 PM PDT
John,

You are speaking as if ALL Christians hold this monolithic, unvarying belief. They differ widely, although each pronounces the word, "Christ". That is the real discussion, WHAT WAS the gospel as Paul understood it, and are we allowed to consider the idea of any OTHER prophets, such as Peter, who held different ideas on certain points. Let us mention just one point of the GOSPEL, which Paul taught. In your eye, did Paul teach the people to worship on the first day or the seventh day? Should we accurse those who teach one or the other view? The protestants believe the sacrament of the Lord's supper, or Eucharist, is SYMBOLIC of Christ's blood and body. The RCC and Lutherans believe it turns into the LITERAL body and blood of Christ. So which of these churches are we to curse, since at least one group differs from what Paul taught. Which group teaches the REAL Gospel? Do you not see how futile it is to knock any particular denomination? Diversity is HEALTHY for Christianity, as Thomas Jefferson emphasized. A general and open discussion brings more logic into the consideration. Various denominations were trying for a monopoly in the various states. Those who would exercise tyranny over the minds of men are not motivated by the Lord to do so.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 2:08:27 PM PDT
great post....praise God that the true followers of Him hear Him and follow Christ, the simplicity of the gospel alone

their have been many wolves since these past centuries popping up, while all under the umbrella of roman universalism

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 2:24:34 PM PDT
reply to William Dampier's post:

dont confuse catholics with Christians

Posted on May 27, 2012 2:29:14 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 3:21:53 PM PDT
Mickey says:
OK Christians, go ahead and argue about "true" Christianity. The only effect for me is to render all Christianity suspect. Why should I believe any Christian when they can't agree amongst themselves?

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 3:26:39 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 3:40:33 PM PDT
whomper

You said

Don't confuse Catholics with Christians

Reply:

We must ever be on guard against sectarianism, which turns religion into politics. Of course Catholics are Christians! We all have ancestors who worshipped Christ because there was a Catholic Church. We have a bible because there was a catholic church (giving due credit also to devout Jews who took pains to preserve scripture). We can give them all the credit in the world where they succeed in being Christian. None of us is good enough to claim a monopoly on that. Would anyone claim that Mother Theresa was not a Christian?

Christianity is not about sectarian divisions on precisely how to read the scriptures. Rather it is about the core teachings which Christ gave. On that account, if a person sincerely seeks to understand right, and follow it, a profession of belief in Christ should qualify them. My question would be more about those who profess belief but live as if they had no such belief. God alone decides who is Christian and who is pseudo. Most of us have some little portion somewhere which is decidedly pseudo. No man is qualified to make that determination.

The Pharisees are an example of what happens when people decide THEMSELVES that they, and they alone, are on the right way and in all ways godfearing men. Note that there was another group, the Sadducees who came to the same conclusion, but differed. People will always differ, but there are true principles amidst the strife we can aspire to discover and live up to. Diversity is good for religion. It opens up discussion and makes religion something we must process in our minds, not just mouthe. Learning religion is not like learning a mathematical formula. "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life"

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 3:39:21 PM PDT
AGmaC says:
William Dampier says:
whomper
Of course Catholics are Christians. . . .
I agree - Catholics are Christians!!! As for the history of the Catholic church, I think we have a Bible in spite of the Catholic Church. Remember how that rolled out? I love Mother Theresa - she belongs to us all in my book! What a wonderful good saintly woman.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 3:43:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 3:45:18 PM PDT
Mickey

As soon as people begin to argue, they aren't speaking as Christ would have them speak, they are displaying their ego as "superior beings", so you are free to believe the nonargumentative parts.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 3:47:51 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 27, 2012 3:55:41 PM PDT
Mickey says:
Alright, but much of it is no more believable to me than the Koran, Navajo Creation Story or Talmud - its all suspect. If there is a deity, I think he (she? it?) should reveal himself/herself and not leave us guessing. I don't have enough faith in humanity to believe anyone's "true" religion. Organized religion seems all too human to me.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 5:01:20 PM PDT
AGmaC says:
Mickey: That is why the LDS religion asks all investigators of the church to take their thoughts to prayer for a confirmation from the Lord. If it is the Lord's church as is claimed, the Lord will reveal the truth of it to His followers Himself. It is not man's true religion . . . but, Gods.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 5:18:54 PM PDT
Blu Boy says:
" If you are correct - if the creator of the universe is a sadistic tyrant - that wouldn't make me feel good, it would depress me beyond words."

I think this bears repeating. Bravo Mickey!

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 5:21:38 PM PDT
Blu Boy says:
HAHAHA. Very very funny!

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