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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 3:36:18 AM PDT
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"I went only 6 years to school, and I never had one single bible lesson from a pastor, bible teacher, catholic preacher, etc. etc. from christendom..I let you think.....how do I came to the knowledge of this..."

I'm pretty sure I know...

You're a Jehovah Witness, aren't you?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 4:35:04 AM PDT
Hello fingers. Peace of Christ.

You say>>"I went only 6 years to school, and I never had one single bible lesson from a pastor, bible teacher, catholic preacher, etc. etc. from christendom..I let you think.....how do I came to the knowledge of this..."

I'm pretty sure I know...

You're a Jehovah Witness, aren't you?<<

jehovah is a catholic name, coined by Raymond Martini a catholic monk in the 270 a.d circa. That name means "SLANDERER"....it is the god of christendom....

I spent some time with them to lear what they believe, but then after 4 or 5 month I left....I feel sorry for them too...

God Bless.......Brother Jame

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 4:40:46 AM PDT
Hello eonxl. Peace of Christ.

You say>>I wonder if someone can correct a confusion of mine when it comes to what the bible meant when it said the holy spirit gave believers the "gift of tongues".<<

Then you say>>I still think it makes much more sense that they were able to speak foreign languages in order to communicate the message of Jesus to other cultures.<<

See!!! Nos this time you didn't use the word "Tongues" but "Languages"..See That is what the apostles spoke, languages, not tongues,tongues is gibberish,
mumbling, etc.etc.. satanic sounds....

You say>>How do most other people interpret this mention of "the gift of tongues" in the bible? --<<

In the bible and out of the bible, Jesus's People believes it is languages, not glossolalia...christendom, the people of satan through his wife the catholic church and their daughters, believe glossolalia is tongues...

God Bless........Brother Jamese

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 4:50:30 AM PDT
"I spent some time with them to lear what they believe..."

It shows.

"That name means "SLANDERER"....it is the god of christendom...."

Could have fooled me, I thought it was the vocalization of YHWH. I guess your six years of school is paying off.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 2:27:14 PM PDT
Hello Fingers. Peace of Christ.

You say>>"That name means "SLANDERER"....it is the god of christendom...."

Could have fooled me, I thought it was the vocalization of YHWH. I guess your six years of school is paying off.<<

I understand you son, I understand you...I spent several months with a messianic jews congregation, and when I approached them regarding this issue, we meet for a couple of hours and they were irrated, when I told them that....they were real mad at my brother and me, and we left..

About six months latter they showed up in my house to ask for forgiveness for their attituded, they had oneness apostolic book who said the same things I said..Now they believed it, they wanted my brother and I to come back and join their congregation, but!! that was a no, no... They gave me that book, I hope some day you drop by and I will let you see it..

YHWH means "The Name" and the vocalization of it is this Ha Shem....The Name is Yahsuha...Read:

Isaiah 52;6 Therefore "MY PEOPLE" will know my Name...Notice that it says "MY PEOPLE" and His People Is the New Spiritual Israel a.k.a Christianity, not literal Israel nor christendom to which you belong, your spiritual daddy was, is and always will be mr. satan...

God Bless..........Brother James

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 3:16:13 PM PDT
RKG says:
how can he keep quiet? does he have control over his tongue? does he know he is speaking in tongues when speaking in tongues?

the only time i have ever heard my pastor speak in tongues is when he speaks in spanish - the few phrases he knows.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 3:20:57 PM PDT
Hello JJB. Peace of Christ.

You say>>the only time i have ever heard my pastor speak in tongues is when he speaks in spanish - the few phrases he knows.<<

You are 1000000000% CORRECT...The problem is that you are in the land of satan...try to go to a park where drug addicts gather and tell them that what they do is not good...and see the response you will get, if you don't get attacked..

God Bless........Brother James

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 5:26:17 PM PDT
The apostles were given the gifts, and at one point were able to give the gifts to certain others, now if the apostles are no longer, then who do you guys say are giving these gifts to people of our time??

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 5:33:34 PM PDT
Hello Godetc. Peace of Christ.

You say>>The apostles were given the gifts, and at one point were able to give the gifts to certain others, now if the apostles are no longer, then who do you guys say are giving these gifts to people of our time??<

If you were a true real son of the Holy Spirit a.k.a Father and a.k.a Son Namely YHWH=Ha Shem=The Name=Yahsuah=Jesus..you wouldn't need to ask that...but!! He will give you an answer..

He still does gives those gifts to whomever needs'em...although 1.11% of the human know about Him. the other 98.99999999999999999 belongs to satan so he gaves his people, glossolalia, and other goodies, he was given the power to do miracles and other things, so his people is happy and do not deffect to Jesus...2 Thess. 2:9-12.

God Bless...........Brother James

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:24:04 PM PDT
Brother James, i myself know the answer to my question. I was asking of others who believe different. I also know that God is able to IF he so chose togive and do whatever He wants to to whomever He wishes. And i hope i am misunderstanding you when you say that He gives the gifts of the spirit still today to those that need em. I hoping you are tying that into the scripture you posted (2 thess 2:9-12) referring to the delusions and reprobated minds. And i am a child of God. I am a member of the church of Christ. I mean no offence, just trying to understand what page you are on

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 11:25:16 PM PDT
* says:
Thought this was going to be about french kissing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:33:19 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 12:18:25 AM PDT
Hello Godaint. Peace of Christ.

I read your whole post do....

You say>>And i am a child of God. I am a member of the church of Christ. I mean no offence, just trying to understand what page you are on<<

O.K. Print for me the scriptures that say you are a son of God...Then I will understand better, and you will understand me better....Go ahead and make my day....PRINT THOSE SCRIPTURES"..I hope you do, 'cause in the last couple of weeks several people vanished when I ask that from them....

I will be waiting for those scriptures..

God Bless...........Brother James

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 12:21:23 AM PDT
Hello Music man. Peace of Christ.

You say>>Thought this was going to be about french kissing.<<

Without music?!! play je't amie..The most favorite instrumental song for me..

God Bless....Brother James

Posted on Jun 11, 2012 12:38:43 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 11, 2012 2:02:26 AM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
The gifts of the Holy Spirit (including the gift of tongues) are taught and referenced in a number of NT Scriptures. Here's one such passage:

1 Corinthians 12:4-11
(NKJV)


4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of activities [service], but it is the same God who works all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,

9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,

10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Posted on Jun 11, 2012 12:42:20 AM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
I Corinthians 14:5
KJV

I would that you all spoke with tongues, but rather that you prophesied: for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Posted on Jun 11, 2012 12:45:59 AM PDT
Gr8fl2bHis says:
Acts 2

1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Crowd's Response

5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs-we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, "Whatever could this mean?"

13 Others mocking said, "They are full of new wine."

Peter's Message

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 `And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.'

22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know- 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:

`I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.'

29 "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

`The Lord said to my Lord,
"Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."'

36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."

A Vital Church Grows

40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation." 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. 42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. 44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 1:00:37 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Godaintfinishwitmeyet says:

[now if the apostles are no longer, then who do you guys say are giving these gifts to people of our time ??]

Well if you go through the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church I think you can receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

At least that's what I did many years ago.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 1:54:35 PM PDT
Hello Jeff Marzano. Peace of Christ.

You say>>Godaintfinishwitmeyet says:

[now if the apostles are no longer, then who do you guys say are giving these gifts to people of our time ??]

Well if you go through the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church I think you can receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

At least that's what I did many years ago.

Jeff Marzano <<

GOD!!!!!!!!!!! Take'im, take'em........Pure satanic, a demons advising a Holy Scriptures Iliterate, to go to satan's wife on earth to get the Holy Spirit?!!!!!! Thaf ellow satan is GOOD...tricky and snicky...

God Bless.........Brother James

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 2:08:40 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
The Catholic Church isn't perfect by any means as recent events have shown. But you're getting carried away saying the Church is the bride of Satan.

You're a raving lunatic anyway with that cult you got involved with. It is you who have become involved with a false belief system.

Be careful. Cults are dangerous. It's always a serious issue when people believe in a lie as you do.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 2:20:01 PM PDT
I don't know how "most other people" interpret this nor how it's practiced today, however - I have found a Biblically-satisfying way that the New Testament passages on speaking in tonques is interpreted.

Reread the passages in the Gospels, Acts as well as 1 Corinthians through the lens of seeing that 'speaking in tongues' is the ability to speak God's heavenly language - i.e. Hebrew. Whether it's learned naturally or supernaturally, the ability to talk with God in Hebrew (read: "the Tongue") was an important Old Testament theme - and the question of whether Gentiles were truly part of God's People is answered via this question of tongues.

Noticed Acts 2:4, where they spoke in "other tongues" (i.e. not Hebrew) to talk about God in the temple. Blasphemous to use Greek or Aramaic to discuss God-stuff! The must have been drunk... OR, it's God's way of telling the Jews that God's Gospel is now open to all peoples!

For a more comprehensive understanding of this linguistic-approach, I would like to recommend these articles by Robert Zerhausen...

http://www.tonguesrevisited.com/Robert_Zerhusen_1.htm
http://www.tonguesrevisited.com/Robert_Zerhusen_2.htm
http://www.tonguesrevisited.com/Robert_Zerhusen_3.htm

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 3:55:44 PM PDT
Hello Dennis. Peace of Christ.

You say<<OR, it's God's way of telling the Jews that God's Gospel is now open to all peoples!<<

Hallelujah!.....Hallelujah!....Hallelujah!!! Now..Will you believe yourself?!!! Today is the day you got the answer for your question...will it matter to you?!!!

You say>>Reread the passages in the Gospels, Acts as well as 1 Corinthians through the lens of seeing that 'speaking in tongues' is the ability to speak God's heavenly language - i.e. Hebrew. Whether it's learned naturally or supernaturally, the ability to talk with God in Hebrew (read: "the Tongue") was an important Old Testament theme - and the question of whether Gentiles were truly part of God's People is answered via this question of tongues.<<<

The answer via for all people is this..To Know Him, who He is, who He was and who He will be forever...to Acept Him and Honor Him, To Love Him and To Obey Him..etc. etc...no other way...of course this is only Between Him and His people....christendom=satan people through the catholic church (his spiritual wife on earth and their daughters the protestant denomi-
nations)...have hundreds if not thousands of ways..

With tht God of Abraham, is "HIS WAY" or "NO WAY"...

God Bless.........Brother James

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 4:04:41 PM PDT
Hello Dennis P. Peace of Christ.

You say>>Reread the passages in the Gospels, Acts as well as 1 Corinthians through the lens of seeing that 'speaking in tongues' is the ability to speak God's heavenly language - i.e. Hebrew. Whether it's learned naturally or supernaturally, the ability to talk with God in Hebrew (read: "the Tongue") was an important Old Testament theme - and the question of whether Gentiles were truly part of God's People is answered via this question of tongues<<

Anmd He says: Isaiah 28:11

11 Very well then, with foreing lips and "STRANGE
TONGUES"..."GOD WILL SPEAK" to "HIS" people..not to satan's people as it is today and has been since pentecost...The bible doesn't say what you say...It doesn't say...and God will speak in His own tongue with His own language.....See!...Then He says:

Isaiah 59:3 Your lips have "SPOKEN 'LIES'"
and "YOUR TONGUE" (not His Not His apostles)MUTTERS "WICKED" Things = (Glossolalia)..

God Bless..........Brother James

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 12:23:02 AM PDT
Now, brother James, as i said i am a child of God, a member of the Church Of Christ, i did not say i was a son of God, but since you refer to me as saying i was a son of God, read read these scriptures for yourself as well....
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believed on his name: John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remained in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that love not his brother.1

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 12:36:55 AM PDT
Hello Godain't. Peace of Christ.

You say>>Now, brother James, as i said i am a child of God<<<

O.K..O.K Son, print the scripture please..that is all.

You say>>John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believed on his name:<<

You forgot this scripture...He who believes "IN HIM" Keeps the Law, he/she who believes "IN HIS NAME" Gets baptized in His Name...Mark 16:16=Acts 2:38-40
Have you done that?!!!!

You say>> 1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that love not his brother.>>

And He Himelf say this:

Ezek. 18:9 He/She who follow faithfully "MY DECREES" and "KEEPS MY LAWS", he/she is a
RIGHTEOUS PERSON"...= Habakkuk 2:4

The "RIGHTEOUS" =(The Oneness believer, Law Keeper, Circumcised Literal Jew) will live "BY FAITH"
= Acts 26:15-18 Getting baptized in His Name...

NOw...Tell me something good.......

Good Bless.......Brother James
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