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Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He rose from the Dead and is Alive.


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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 3:16:00 PM PDT
Just so you know, the formatting of this post is a dead giveaway that you cut and pasted it from somewhere else, with the carriage returns in the middle of sentences like that. Try having an original thought, and not simply parrotting what others have spoon fed to you. On the other hand, maybe that's a bad idea - you might actually learn something that would make you question your "faith"

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 3:21:53 PM PDT
brunumb says:
B. Nixon: "I believed God at a "young age" because the knowledge of Him was in my heart, as I know it was in yours."

You believed in God at a young age because that knowledge was relentlessly pumped into your brain. When you got older and apparently able to think for yourself, you simply chose what flavour of Christianity you preferred. Aren't you so glad that you were not born into a Muslim family or else you would now have Allah in your heart instead of your beloved threesome.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 3:24:16 PM PDT
MMMM, you said threesome, tasty...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 4:40:30 PM PDT
ArmyMan says:
J. Green:

"I tell you a fact.
There is no historical mention of the existence of the gospels before 140CE."

That is not a "fact" at all. I assume you are alluding to the works of Papias. But his work on the gospel probably came before 140 AD.

A scholar named Edwin Abbott put it 115-130. Robert Gundry, another historical scholar, has argued for as early as 101-108 AD (Mark: A Commentary on His Apology for the Cross).

So the date is not as set in concrete as you believe.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 5:26:29 PM PDT
J. Green says:
ArmyMan says:
J. Green:

"I tell you a fact.
There is no historical mention of the existence of the gospels before 140CE."

That is not a "fact" at all. I assume you are alluding to the works of Papias. But his work on the gospel probably came before 140 AD.

A scholar named Edwin Abbott put it 115-130. Robert Gundry, another historical scholar, has argued for as early as 101-108 AD (Mark: A Commentary on His Apology for the Cross).

So the date is not as set in concrete as you believe.
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I know all about Papias.
He quotes some so called "gospel" that do not appear in any of the known gospels.
He mentions sayings of the lord.
You christians will lie about anything.
Papias was a wannabe braggart.
He claimed to HAVE SEEN Judas Iscariot explode into a mass of WORMS.

HE ALSO STATED THAT JESUS LIVED TO BE AN OLD MAN.

But you christians will ignore this and instead claim that Papias had the gospel and was there when one was written

PITIFUL

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 9:20:41 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:48:32 PM PDT
LLA,

Come on, friend. You know as well as I that refusing to believe in God is the same thing as rejecting the possibility of His existence.
I say this because, before one can reject God's existence, he must first assure himself that the possibility of His existence does not
[or cannot] exist. I mean, folks don't suddenly become atheists [or Christians, for that matter] for no reason, out of "left field".

ALL changes in our world view develop over time, through the knowledge and input we receive. They don't come suddenly, for no reason.
But it's all a matter of who or what we invest our faith in that determines what we believe and how we live, as I've said.

a servant of Christ Jesus,

Donald Lee McDaniel

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:08:29 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:34:41 AM PDT
Stefan,

It also causes me fear, human being as I am. I too love freedom. IN fact, I love as much freedom
as I can obtain in this world.

But I don't foresee any instant changes. If the theocracy does come, it will creep up on us for years,
while it gains support among our legislators, especially our local legislators -- as the Tea-Party is
doing now. I see no instant changes because they do not yet have the power and authority to pull
it off.

I fear for those like myself, who do not accept the authority of others just because they have a
majority of voters in their camp. Since I am called an heretic, because I do not accept that Jesus
is the Second Person of the Trinity, I am one of the first they will go after, along with all atheists
and agnostics, Gnostics, JWs, Mormons, homosexuals, lesbians, potheads, etc -- anyone who officially
rejects their leadership. They will also go after scientists, doctors, programmers, professors, media
artists -- anyone who may reject their leadership, officially or unofficially.

There will be book, film, CD/DVD, and other recordable media burnings. All the blood our forefathers
shed will have been shed in vain.

May God have mercy on the United States of America.

a servant of Christ Jesus,

Donald Lee McDaniel

The sad part is that we have every reason to fear these people, and none to trust them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 1:00:03 AM PDT
Stefan,

Just so YOU will know, my formatting is dependent on the weak editor Amazon uses for these posts.
I seldom "cut and paste", even Holy Scripture. All that you see of my writing is all mine, and no one
else's. All my thinking is my own original thinking, using the same sources others use, such as dictionaries,
theological texts, scientific texts, my own experiences and revelations, people-watching, news-watching,
just plain THINKING about things.

I never "parrot" anyone, unless I am being sarcastic. And I've been questioning my own faith for many
years now. I have yet to find a valid reason to abandon it, though I have had valid reasons to change it
from time to time, to reflect my own growth in the knowledge of God and Christ Jesus.

Since you have no idea what I've learned in the 67 years I've been on the Earth, you have no room to
find fault with my knowledge and understanding, since you are not yet perfect yourself.

When you get there, let me know. I am always on the lookout for truth in and about myself, no matter
where it comes from, as long as those who claim truth can demonstrate to me that they truly understand
what they are finding fault with in me when they criticize me.

a servant of Christ Jesus,

Donald Lee McDaniel

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 6:51:17 AM PDT
J. Green says:
Church of Jesus Christ of LDS are Christian says:
J. Green's post:
Eve did not get a soul.
As usual in religion ,women are worthless.
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Without my wife, I cannot be in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
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Women have no soul.
Only Adam got it.

I am sure your wife is nice.

However she is needed to spawn your children.
Some born with souls and some without

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 7:01:56 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2012 7:03:53 AM PDT
No, I don't. That's your opinion; but it's not mine. My position is very straightforward: there is no evidence for the existence of any supernatural entities, therefore I believe that no supernatural entities exist. I don't reject the possibility; rather, I see no reason to believe it. That's not the same thing.

You are describing a process which may seem reasonable to you, but I know of no atheist who has followed it. We do *not* spend time assuring ourselves that the possibility of His existence does not exist. We simply say you - theists, that is - claim a god exists. In our opinion, however, you have presented no valid evidence to support your claim. Therefore, we don't believe it. It's not at all complicated. If and when valid evidence is ever found, I'll reevaluate my position. Until then I see no reason to.

I invest my faith in real things. I do not consider your god to be a real thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 8:51:07 AM PDT
ArmyMan says:
J. Green:

Then were you not referring to Papias? What is your evidence for the 140 AD remark? (Even thought that is hardly a make or break issue.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 8:54:27 AM PDT
ArmyMan says:
Niv:

"Without my wife, I cannot be in the Lord.

"1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord."

Your point is quite inaccurate. The above Scripture is about men and women working together as Christians. It does not mean an individual is not in the Lord if he is saved. But this is a discussion for another thread.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 9:44:47 AM PDT
J. Green says:
The earliest allusion to any of the Gospels is from about 130 A.D. in the works of Bishop Papias, who refers to a collection of Jesus' sayings/oracles in a Hebrew book whose author is said to be the disciple Matthew

ArmyMan says:
J. Green:

Then were you not referring to Papias? What is your evidence for the 140 AD remark? (Even thought that is hardly a make or break issue.)
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I believe Papias when he says jesus died of old age with his family.
As does Irenaeus

The first mention of the Gospels, as we know them, comes around 140 A.D. in the work of Aristides of Athens who refers to "the holy Gospel writing"

Justin Martyr (c 100-163 A.D.) of Rome composed the first of his two Apologies, in which he specifically refers to the writings of Luke, Matthew, and Mark as "memoirs"

Posted on Jul 15, 2012 5:38:32 AM PDT
It amazes me how atheists & Christians can argue about whether God exists or not. Neither can convince or prove the other wrong!! So why the argument? Why is it so important that atheists try to convince Christians that there is no God? Why should it matter to them what Christians believe? These arguments always end with the same thing........stalemate!! Atheists.....believe what you want. Christians.....thank God everyday that you're not an atheist!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 6:19:11 AM PDT
How true.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 6:59:22 AM PDT
J. Green says:
Larry R. Broman says:
It amazes me how atheists & Christians can argue about whether God exists or not. Neither can convince or prove the other wrong!! So why the argument? Why is it so important that atheists try to convince Christians that there is no God? Why should it matter to them what Christians believe? These arguments always end with the same thing........stalemate!! Atheists.....believe what you want. Christians.....thank God everyday that you're not an atheist!!!
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People were still being BURNED ALIVE AT THE STAKE in the 1700's by christians for blasphemy.
Negroes were still held as slaves in America in the 1860's because of what the bible says.

Christians are in Israel looking for a special calf that will initiate the second coming and the end of the world.
If they get started the first thing they want to do is rebuild the Jewish TEMPLE.The Muslim world will not like that.

Christians in Africa today are burning young girls alive for WITCHCRAFT.

Christians are not all harmless lovers of little baby jesus.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 8:06:07 AM PDT
This makes me wonder why you're posting on this forum. It would seem to go against what you've written.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:16:50 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 15, 2012 4:18:43 PM PDT
Larry R. Broman says:
It amazes me how atheists & Christians can argue about whether God exists or not. Neither can convince or prove the other wrong!! So why the argument? Why is it so important that atheists try to convince Christians that there is no God? Why should it matter to them what Christians believe? These arguments always end with the same thing........stalemate!! Atheists.....believe what you want. Christians.....thank God everyday that you're not an atheist!!!

PJA. You just answered your own question with that redundant last sentence....We couldn't care less what you believe. When you try to force others to believe it, or produce idiotic statements like that, that's when you have to deal with us....

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 8:19:39 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 16, 2012 8:26:34 AM PDT
PJA:It's obvious I was addressing 'Christians' in the last sentence!! Not trying to force you to believe anything......reading comprehension goes a long way!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 8:24:36 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 16, 2012 8:25:40 AM PDT
J. Green: You just proved my point too!!!! Always trying to prove something. If you don't believe why should you care what we believe?!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 10:00:33 AM PDT
J. Green says:
larry R. Broman says:
J. Green: You just proved my point too!!!! Always trying to prove something. If you don't believe why should you care what we believe?!
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This MUST be the slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww class.

People were still being BURNED ALIVE AT THE STAKE in the 1700's by christians for blasphemy. Negroes were still held as slaves in America in the 1860's because of what the bible says. Christians are in Israel looking for a special calf that will initiate the second coming and the end of the world. If they get started the first thing they want to do is rebuild the Jewish TEMPLE.The Muslim world will not like that. Christians in Africa today are burning young girls alive for WITCHCRAFT. Christians are not all harmless lovers of little baby jesus.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 12:31:54 PM PDT
Celsus says:
ArmyMan

>>That is not a "fact" at all. I assume you are alluding to the works of Papias. But his work on the gospel probably came before 140 AD. <<

You wish. There are some BIG problems with Papias, as follows:

1) There are no extant copies of Papias' work; our only record derives from Eusebius (ca. 325AD), a renown church propagandist.
2) We don't know exactly when Papias lived and wrote, but most historians give an estimate on his work of 125 AD (but could be as late as 140AD).
3) Papias speaks of Matthew having put together the `oracles of Christ' in Hebrew. There is no other evidence that the original gospel of Matthew was written in Hebrew; in fact, all evidence indicates it was composed in Greek, especially since many passages exactly mirror those found in Mark and Luke. Biblical scholars are unanimous in their view that the original Matthew was composed in Greek. In other words, it is likely that this work mentioned by Papias (if in fact there ever was such a work) was not the work now known as the Gospel of Matthew.
4) Bauckham, in his book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony (Eerdmans 2006) admits that modern scholars regard Papias' testimony on Mark as "historically worthless".
5) Eusebius refers to Papias as someone of `very limited intelligence' - indication that he was not someone to be trusted.

All of which leaves us with Iranaeus (180AD) as the earliest viable reference to any Gospels by name.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 12:50:41 PM PDT
I care because you refuse to respect the seperation of church and state in this country. I care because of sneaky backhanded attempts to force creationism, and prayer into public schools which are supposed to be secular. I care because of how vocally the religious right is when it comes to politics in this country, and because I am terrified that they will succeed in overthrowing democracy and creating a theocratic dictatorship where those who don't think and worship as they do will be banished, persecuted, killed, or worse.

If you kept to yourselves, you wouldn't hear a peep from most of us atheists. But you constantly need to evangelize and proselytize, and "save us" when we don't believe in being saved. Like all those poor heathen souls the missionaries had to try and convert; nevermind that they were perfectly happy having NOT found jesus.
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