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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 8:02:17 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: According to Edgar Cayce Moses' friend Joshua was Christ in another form.

Me: Edgar Cayce is an idiot. According to Big Shmooz. Let him mess with his own stuff, not my Torah.

Jeff Marzano says: Doesn't it say in the bible somewhere that Moses became terrified at times during those experiences ? That may be why he wanted Joshua there with him.

Me: More ignorance on your part. Joshua was not there with him on the mountain.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 7:58:50 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: Some people think that this powder was the philosopher's stone material. They relate this story to alchemy.

Me: I find it strange how people will always try to twist my Torah for their own perverted ideas. They want to pervert something, go pervert their own stuff but leave my Torah alone.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 7:56:34 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: According to Elisabeth Haich Moses had the ability to control and defeat the force of gravity using the Ark device:

Me: & according to Big Shmooz, Elisabeth Haich is a moron who doesn't know what she is talking about.

Jeff Marzano says: According to that theory I guess the law giver would have removed the force of gravity on the water in the Red Sea to allow the Hebrews to walk across.

But when the Egyptians tried to cross he increased the pull of gravity on them so they became very heavy and couldn't move. Then I guess the water came back over them.

Me: LOL, the Ark did not yet even exist when the Israelites crossed the Reed sea. Oh, & that's not a theory. THAT's a fact!

Jeff Marzano says: It says in the bible that the Egyptians got stuck in the mud where the Red Sea had been.

Me: No it doesn't. Now you are not only guilty of making things up in ideas, you are now making things up about the text as well.

Jeff Marzano says: But in that case why didn't the Hebrews also get stuck when they walked across ?

Me: Because there was no mud. In fact Scripture goes out of It's way to say there was no mud. Exodus chapter 14 verse 22. Then the children of Israel came into the midst of the sea on dry land,
All you are doing is showing your ignorance.

Jeff Marzano says: Some people think the Ark Of The Covenant was a radioactive device that was brought to the Earth from outer space by the gods many thousands of years ago.

Me: Some people think the moon is made of cheese. They are the same kind of people as those who think that. They are otherwise known as "idiots". To give them the time of day makes as much sense as to do so for those who believe the moon is made of cheese.

Jeff Marzano says: Moses was I believe a member and initiate of the Egyptian priesthood

Me: The problem is in you. You are totally ignorant of Moses & who he was.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 7:42:18 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: Yes where it says in the Book Of Genesis that God created everything in 7 days this means something but it is not 7 of our days.

Me: So where It says that murder is wrong, it's not literal either. Murder is right. & where It says not to lie, that's not literal either. & where It says Adam lived 930 years, it's not our years. He actually lived for a million years. (our years)

Jeff Marzano says: The Book Of Genesis including the Adam And Eve story is mythological.
Mythological stories cannot be read literally.

Me: Then you are not really literal.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 3:57:19 PM PDT
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Jeff Marzano says:
Allan says:

[You need to understand, Jeff, that for Big Shmooz if Moses put out the contract and 3000 Jews were ''disappeared''/murdered/executed/disposed of, Moses is all innocence because he did not pull the trigger.]

This is a very important issue for people who believe the bible.

Moses was according to the bible in direct communication with God Himself.

If that is true Moses' judgments should have been infallible assuming he listened to and obeyed what God said.

Abraham and Moses spoke to God directly like one person to another. This is rare even in the bible.

It's interesting in the bible where Moses marries the 'Ethiopian' woman and Moses' sister and Aaron take exception about this for some reason. Then God appears on the scene and tells them to leave Moses alone. Miriam contracted leprosy as a result.

Rebelling against Moses wasn't a good idea according to the bible as the Korahs found out. They all died.

According to Edgar Cayce Moses' friend Joshua was Christ in another form. I think Manly Hall also believed this.

Cayce said when Moses and Joshua were up on the mountain in God's presence no other living thing could exist at that physical location.

Doesn't it say in the bible somewhere that Moses became terrified at times during those experiences ? That may be why he wanted Joshua there with him.

Cayce said Moses and Joshua compiled the first 5 books of the bible based on Moses' visions that he received from God. In that sense the bible really was inspired by God.

Jeff Marzano

Edgar Cayce's Story of the Old Testament From the Birth of Souls to the Death of Moses

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The Secret Teachings of All Ages (Reader's Edition)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 3:44:45 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Macaron says:

[This was caused by the EREV RAV, the sorcerers and magicians that left Egypt and mingled with the ISraelites and caused some of them to sin, as they do in every generation since that time.]

The story of the golden calf in the Exodus story is not easy to understand.

What you said about sorcery and magic being involved is possible.

In the story Moses grinds the golden statue into a power, mixes this powder with water, and tells the Hebrews to drink it.

Some people think that this powder was the philosopher's stone material. They relate this story to alchemy.

Jeff Marzano

The Giza Death Star Deployed: The Physics and Engineering of the Great Pyramid

Fulcanelli: Master Alchemist: Le Mystere des Cathedrales, Esoteric Intrepretation of the Hermetic Symbols of The Great Work (Le Mystere Des ... of the Hermetic Symbols of Great Work)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 3:30:21 PM PDT
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The habit runs deep. How do some of us not see this?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 2:30:50 PM PDT
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Jeff Marzano says:
Macaron says:

[I'm referring to the part of TORAH that is describing the SPLITTING OF THE SEA OF REEDS, which the ZOHAR says is THE ESSENSE OF THE TORAH.]

According to Elisabeth Haich Moses had the ability to control and defeat the force of gravity using the Ark device:

Initiation

According to that theory I guess the law giver would have removed the force of gravity on the water in the Red Sea to allow the Hebrews to walk across.

But when the Egyptians tried to cross he increased the pull of gravity on them so they became very heavy and couldn't move. Then I guess the water came back over them.

This sounds possible to me. It says in the bible that the Egyptians got stuck in the mud where the Red Sea had been. But in that case why didn't the Hebrews also get stuck when they walked across ?

Some people think the Ark Of The Covenant was a radioactive device that was brought to the Earth from outer space by the gods many thousands of years ago. The Egyptian priests gave the Ark device to Moses. Moses taking the Ark was not part of the agreement with the no good pharaoh and this is the reason the pharaoh dared to pursue the Hebrews even after the 10 plagues. He felt Moses and the priests had double crossed him.

This gets into the idea that at that time in Egypt the priest and pharaohs were the keepers of the great knowledge that the gods brought to the Earth. This knowledge was kept secret from the common people.

Moses was I believe a member and initiate of the Egyptian priesthood which is sometimes referred to as 'The Order Of Melchizedek'. If this is true Moses would have been knowledgeable about the secrets of that priesthood which included things like magic and alchemy.

The bible alludes to some of this where Moses and Aaron have the confrontation with the pharaohs evil magicians. And they really were magicians.

Whether or not any of this is connected to those Hebrews words you mentioned I have no idea.

Jeff Marzano

Melchizedek And The Mystery Of Fire

Initiation in the Great Pyramid (Astara's library of mystical classics)

Fulcanelli: Master Alchemist: Le Mystere des Cathedrales, Esoteric Intrepretation of the Hermetic Symbols of The Great Work (Le Mystere Des ... of the Hermetic Symbols of Great Work)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 2:20:16 PM PDT
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Jeff Marzano says:
anne says:

[anne: Big, the proof is irrefutable that the earth is much older than 6,000 years.]

Yes where it says in the Book Of Genesis that God created everything in 7 days this means something but it is not 7 of our days. It would be very interesting to know what it does mean.

There are I believe myths in other cultures that talk about the 6 days of creation.

Although strangely Edgar Cayce said about the 6 literal days:

"Not that this would have been impossible."

Cayce agreed however that it does not mean 6 of our days.

Cayce also stated that "All time is one.".

The Book Of Genesis including the Adam And Eve story is mythological.

Mythological stories cannot be read literally.

There are strange relationships between time, space, and gravity as Einstein demonstrated.

Jeff Marzano

The Truth About The Philadelphia Experiment: Invisibility, Time Travel and Mind Control

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 10:58:03 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Mac::: Anne, yes, but *THOSE* years were G-d's years, not ordinary years that the Shmooz was referring to.

Me: I don't understand. If they were God's years I was referring to, then I must be in human years close to 40 thousand years old. If I have a child who is 4 years old then he would actually be 3,000 years old in human years.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 10:54:34 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
anne: Big, the proof is irrefutable that the earth is much older than 6,000 years. Here's a link to a recent conversation that might help bring you up to date:

Me: I went to this link. It's a thread. Not a specific post. I do not plan to wade through 233 posts to find what you are speaking of. If you give me a more precise link I will God willing check it out.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 10:51:07 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Macaron says: I'm referring to the part of TORAH that is describing the SPLITTING OF THE SEA OF REEDS, which the ZOHAR says is THE ESSENSE OF THE TORAH.

Me: I am sorry I cannot help you with this, since I am unfamiliar with this Zohar.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 6:36:24 PM PDT
Allan says:
Mac::: Anne, yes, but *THOSE* years were G-d's years, not ordinary years that the Shmooz was referring to. Of course he knows that the earth is an antique.

Allan: Big Shmooz has told me he does not, but does this mean you accept that the first Homo sapiens evolved some 200,000 years ago, and the Australian Aborigines, who can proudly lay claim to the oldest living religion and culture in the world, have been here for anywhere between 45,000-70,000 years, and also were the first human in the Americas some 50,000 years ago?

Posted on May 15, 2012 8:56:21 AM PDT
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Macaron says:
Jeff: You think the earth is less than 6,000 years old?

Big Shmooz: Yes.

anne: Big, the proof is irrefutable that the earth is much older than 6,000 years.

Mac::: Anne, yes, but *THOSE* years were G-d's years, not ordinary years that the Shmooz was referring to. Of course he knows that the earth is an antique.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 5:21:01 AM PDT
anne says:
Jeff: Youo think the earth is less than 6,000 years old?

Big Shmooz: Yes.

anne: Big, the proof is irrefutable that the earth is much older than 6,000 years. Here's a link to a recent conversation that might help bring you up to date:
http://www.amazon.com/forum/science/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=
UTF8&cdForum=FxZ58KVEERYS5E&cdThread=Tx1T126LZQEETI8

Posted on May 14, 2012 10:50:05 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 8:52:24 AM PDT
Macaron says:
Shalom Big Shmooz, and thanks for the explanation, it makes sense what you wrote re: that much larger number of IVRIT leaving Egypt during the EXODUS.

Macaron says:Why does TORAH say that THAT portion of TORAH is the ESSENSE of the TORAH?

Me: I am not sure what portion you're referring to. I am also not sure as to what you mean by this "essence of the Torah". Can you please elaborate? Thanks.

I'm referring to the part of TORAH that is describing the SPLITTING OF THE SEA OF REEDS, which the ZOHAR says is THE ESSENSE OF THE TORAH. I know that it is connected with the SHEM haMEPHORASH, and the MOCHIN at the END OF DAYS, and maybe THAT is why.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 8:33:05 PM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Macaron says: Shalom Shmoozer......I had CHF (congestive heart failure) almost a year ago, and yesterday was the 1st day that I was able to walk to the shul for shabbat.

Me: Thanks God & I wish you continued health.

Macaron says: Why is it always said that it was *600,000* IVRIT men, and the children, with the mixed multitude---who left Mitzraim at that time? 8 million? so many

Me: Because that number (600,000) only takes into account the men between ages 20 and 60 of all the tribes except for Levi. If one looks at the idea of births (those under age 20) plus those above age 60, plus the women of all ages, the number jumps considerably.

The Torah does give us a very interesting hint as to the numbers by stating how many firstborn males there were. If one takes into account that males are but half the population, & then adds those numbers to an average family size. (which the Torah also gives us by saying how many children some people had). If one uses an average of these figures as a base to build on, it is very easy to see that 8 million Israelites is in fact a conservative number of how many Israelites left Egypt.

Macaron says:Why does TORAH say that THAT portion of TORAH is the ESSENSE of the TORAH?

Me: I am not sure what portion you're referring to. I am also not sure as to what you mean by this "essence of the Torah". Can you please elaborate? Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 8:16:57 AM PDT
Macaron says:
Big Shmooz says:
Mac::: I believe that Big Shmooz is referring to ALL Jews now living *LEFT* Egypt/Mitzraim, just as our forefathers did in the time of Pharoah.

Me: I was actually referring to those who left Egypt on the first day of Passover in the year 2448 from creation. As I have stated, I have done the calculations & have come up that the number 8 million is a conservative estimate of those who left Egypt on that day.

Me::: Shalom Shmoozer......I had CHF (congestive heart failure) almost a year ago, and yesterday was the 1st day that I was able to walk to the shul for shabbat. I'm so grateful that we are who we are, and that I could be together with my people yesterday. How are you so patient and calm with certain individuals in this thread? Why is it always said that it was *600,000* IVRIT men, and the children, with the mixed multitude---who left Mitzraim at that time? 8 million? so many..... Why does TORAH say that THAT portion of TORAH is the ESSENSE of the TORAH?

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 1:55:06 AM PDT
Allan says:
''There was no murder involved here & the person asking this knows that but was being obtuse so I refused to answer his question.''

You need to understand, Jeff, that for Big Shmooz if Moses put out the contract and 3000 Jews were ''disappeared''/murdered/executed/disposed of, Moses is all innocence because he did not pull the trigger.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 1:49:44 AM PDT
Allan says:
Him: Mihsorah.

Me: So you've proved me right once again.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 12:20:26 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Mac::: I believe that Big Shmooz is referring to ALL Jews now living *LEFT* Egypt/Mitzraim, just as our forefathers did in the time of Pharoah.

Me: I was actually referring to those who left Egypt on the first day of Passover in the year 2448 from creation. As I have stated, I have done the calculations & have come up that the number 8 million is a conservative estimate of those who left Egypt on that day.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 12:16:56 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: What event is he referring to when he says Moses murdered many Hebrews during the Exodus ?
Didn't this really happen after the debacle with the golden calf ?

Me: According to the order God gave Moses on how to handle this situation Moses ordered that those who were guilty of having worshipped the golden calf were to be executed. There was no murder involved here & the person asking this knows that but was being obtuse so I refused to answer his question.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 12:12:41 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: I have heard a smaller estimate for the number of Jews who left Egypt with Moses during the Exodus story.

Me: I have done the calculation of things we do know & a conservative estimate is at least 8 million people.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 12:11:23 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
Jeff Marzano says: Is that 5,772 of our Earth years ?

Me: As opposed to lunar years? Or martian one's? Of course I am referring to earth years.

Jeff Marzano says: You think the Earth is less than 6,000 years old ?

Me: I thought that was quite obvious if I claim that we are now in the year 5772 from creation.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 12:08:41 AM PDT
Big Shmooz says:
William Dampier says: Must scripture be absolute to be true.

Me: In the case of Torah yes. For if even one letter is not true, then nothing is. It is no longer Divine.

William Dampier says: Where did Moses get the stories of Genesis?

Me: Every single word in the Torah was given by God to Moses who wrote down exactly what God told him to write. No word in the Torah is from the mouth of man.

In fact the Midrash teaches us in a particular passage where God said to Moses to write "let us make man" how Moses questioned God & said, this will open the mouths of heretics to state that there is more than one creator" & indeed Moses was proved right. Anyway, if Moses had written it he would not have written "let us make man". But God told him to write this so Moses wrote what God said.

William Dampier says: Why did Alexandrian Jews like the LXX

Me: As I stated earlier, there is no LXX.

William Dampier says: I don't mean to be insulting, but humans, all humans, including scribes, make mistakes.

Me: That is what is so miraculous about the Torah. Despite Israel being so scattered & not even having contact with other communities all over the world till recently, yet the Torah remained perfectly preserved. This is nothing short of a miracle which can only be explained through God's direct intervention toward His people Israel that the Torah be correctly preserved.
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