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Initial post: Dec 26, 2012 5:45:27 AM PST
Ron W says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 5:58:48 AM PST
Irish Lace says:
" Do these statements make sense? "

As there is no evidence for any of it, the simple answer is "No."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 6:06:25 AM PST
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Brian Curtis says:
Ten more statements that COULD be true, because they are so vague as to be meaningless:

1. Reality is energy.

2. Chakras are vibrations of innate spiritual potential.

3. Consciousness is an inherent and emergent property of the universe.

4. Society is intrinsically unattainable.

5. Any force or being that blocks the alignment of positive energies is itself out of balance with the universe and cannot endure.

6. Without a spiritual center, there is no higher consciousness.

7. Karma is inevitable, even if indefinitely delayed.

8. Ascended wisdom is accessible only in part to the less enlightened.

9. The true followers of Ashtar have never died.

10. As humanity has lost touch with its spirtuality, the world has gotten worse in countless ways, even as people are deceived into seeing improvement in other ways.

Now send me some money. All this spiritual wisdom doesn't grow on trees.

Posted on Dec 26, 2012 6:46:47 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 7:24:55 AM PST
some truthiness to some of them

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 8:20:51 AM PST
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Jeff Marzano says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 8:22:21 AM PST
Iatric says:
Though I have not read it before, statement 1 is something I've presented on these forums before. It's been my personal thought that had Jesus been dealing with a matriarchal society, he would have come in the form of a woman as to better be received.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 8:39:59 AM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
People can be reincarnated as either sex I believe.

Reincarnation is a strange subject in the sense that the relationships between people can change over their different incarnations. For example a mother and daughter can be reincarnated as husband and wife.

The idea is they are reincarnated in whatever ways help the soul learn important lessons.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 8:44:56 AM PST
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1. Male and female are designed to experience life and each other in different ways. Why would God remove the different shades and dimensions of love that are possible as a result of having 2 genders? I believe it's possible in heaven, one might have many mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, all separate and apart from those angels of the opposite gender one may have a romantic type of love with.

2. Isn't it possible that the first fallen angel to openly rebel and choose Lucifer over God became Adam and the first female angel who did so became Eve?

3. God values the individual soul. It wouldn't be fair to have several souls to share the same body to later be judged individually. If several demons possess the same human (for example the ones collectively known as "legion" whom Jesus cast into the pigs) then it could be that those demons already lived and died as humans and were condemned by God before Jesus was born.

4. Agreed. Jesus went to the "waiting place" just after being crucified to collect those righteous souls (or at least give them the offer to go to heaven with Him.)

5. I think it's possible that some good angels who did not follow Lucifer volunteered to take on a human body for reasons we may not understand.

6. I often feel the time, place, and family you were born into may have been very carefully selected by God based upon the specific lessons you needed to learn.

7 through 10 - agreed

Posted on Dec 26, 2012 10:42:19 AM PST
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MLC says:
I'm sorry, but from the Christian perspective, only one of those things has any ring of truth about it and that's the last one -- that hell is eternal separation from God -- and it still isn't entirely correct.

Not even your statement about Jesus being the only way to God because he is love is correct. The reason Jesus is the only way to God is this:

God cannot have sin in his presence. All men are sinners. They cannot make themselves free of sin. Therefore, they are condemned to remain separate from him forever.

Now here's where the love comes in. God made humanity to be in a loving relationship with each other and he wasn't willing to lose us. So he implemented a plan of salvation through the nation of Israel which culminated in Christ, who is the second person of the Triune deity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit.

Here's how the plan worked: God demanded a sacrifice to atone for our sins. Only a man could make the sacrifice to atone for humankind. But the sacrifice had to be unblemished, that is, sin-free. Since no man is sin-free, no man can provide the sacrifice.

Jesus, however, came to this earth as both God AND man. As God, he was sin-free. Therefore, he is the only one who could die and atone for our sins. He offers his gift of salvation to humankind, but only those who accept it will enter heaven because it is Jesus who represents the one and only door to God.

I don't know who Isaiah Matthew is, but the "Jesus" in the title of his book certainly isn't the Jesus of the Holy Bible and the Jesus of the Holy Bible is the only true one. I suggest you read about him in God's Word and forget all about the works of those who don't know who he really is.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 10:53:52 AM PST
Mickey says:
I am astounded at the twisted logic Christians such as yourself recite constantly: What the Nazis did to Anne Frank is nothing, now God's really going to teach her a lesson, but it's her own fault because God is a God of love.

Do you actually expect anyone with a grain of sense or a shred of compassion to buy that? I try to be open minded, but that's beyond the pale.

And yes, I know not all Christians believe that.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 3:49:18 PM PST
Irish Lace says:
"People can be reincarnated as either sex I believe."

I never cease to be amazed at the stuff people can say out loud with an apparently straight face.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 3:52:59 PM PST
Irish Lace says:
"Here's how the plan worked: God demanded a sacrifice to atone for our sins. Only a man could make the sacrifice to atone for humankind. But the sacrifice had to be unblemished, that is, sin-free. Since no man is sin-free, no man can provide the sacrifice."

Another case in point. This twisted nonsense actually makes some kind of oddly logical "sense" to some people. How that can be is beyond my ability to understand, but it is a measure of human goofiness.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 27, 2012 6:38:49 AM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
Irish Lace says:

[I never cease to be amazed at the stuff people can say out loud with an apparently straight face.]

I'm never amazed how all you F'n atheists can't shut the Hell up in the Christianity forum.

That's another meaningless, stupid, useless statement from you that provides no value add whatsoever.

Posted on Dec 27, 2012 6:11:34 PM PST
G. J. Stein says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 4:50:07 PM PST
I'm pretty sure that wisdom grew from a certain plant.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 5:30:21 PM PST
Astrocat says:
I'm just going to number the points and give my opinion on each:
1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes, souls cannot be destroyed. No to the rest of it
4. No
5. No
6. No
7. No
8. Yes, Christ (not Jesus, necessarily) is love, but so is everything in this solar system, because the nature of the Solar Logos is Love. No to the rest of it.
9. Whether you're "part of Jesus' spiritual family", loving and forgiving others is essential.
10. There is heaven and there is no hell.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 6:00:51 PM PST
Yes, Mr. Stein, the ever popular Ten Commandments renowned in legend as the basis for Judeo-Christian morality. Few stop to ask if they are all equal in the sight of YHWH and what the punishment is for breaking each. Here's a convenient breakdown:

Commandment 1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Punishment: Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases the girls can be kept alive for raping. (Numbers 31:15-18)

Commandment 2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.

Punishment: Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (See above.)

Commandment 3: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.

Punishment: Capital punishment (Leviticus 24:16, Deuteronomy 18:20, Mark 3:28-29)

Commandment 4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Punishment: Capital punishment (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2 Numbers 15:32)

Commandment 5: Honor thy father and thy mother:

Punishment: Capital punishment (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9)

Commandment 6: Thou shalt not kill.

Punishment: Capital punishment in some cases (For killing Cain, yes, for killing Abel, no: Genesis 4:15).

Commandment 7: Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Punishment: Capital punishment (Leviticus 20:10)

Commandment 8: Thou shalt not steal.

Punishment: Excessive fines or slavery: (Exodus 22:1-3). Only in rare cases such as stealing slaves, capital punishment (Exodus 21:16). Thieves caught in the night are to be executed (Exodus 22:1-3)

Commandment 9: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Punishment: Despisement and scorn (Proverbs 12:8)

Commandment 10: Thou shalt not covet...

Punishment: Despisement and scorn (Romans 7:7-8)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 6:47:25 PM PST
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G. J. Stein says:
Very interesting study results Mrs. Riordan.

May I ask if this is your present day experience, (or observation), as a Jew or one who studies Judaism?

I'm not a Jew, but never the less, as of two thousand years ago, neither Jew or Gentile was to be held accountable to those laws and edicts.
History shows their failure to achieve a certain result desired by God and so the New Testament was ushered in by the Lord Jesus Christ.
You and I both will be accountable to that. Perhaps you have given it a study too?

In it the commandments, in all their wisdom are summed up in one profound statement:

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

I wish I could could answer your concerns about the OT Law of Moses and it's ramifications from a more educated position but perhaps Rolling Stones, Sarah, or Big Shmooz would be better.

Edit:
P.S. I know you're sincere but I have to tell you, my experience with those who allude to God being a genocidal monster, are usually twisting the OT passages out of context and lying through their teeth. I have in the past, as a reprisal, copied and pasted a half dozen cited scriptures in their full context, to prove this to all who cared to read it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 7:07:39 PM PST
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tokolosi says:
Here's another take on "The Ten Commandments" (excerpt from George Carlin):

I'm going to show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a bit more logical and realistic. We'll start with the first three, and I'll use the Roman Catholic version because those are the ones I was fed as a little boy.

* I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE
GODS BEFORE ME.

* THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN
VAIN.

* THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH.

Okay, right off the bat, the first three commandments-pure bull****. "Sabbath day," "Lord's name," "strange gods." Spooky language. Spooky language designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious mumbo jumbo like this apply to the lives of intelligent, civilized human in the twenty-first century. You throw out the first three commandments, am you're down to seven.

*HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER.

This commandment is about obedience and respect for authority; in other words it's simply a device for controlling people. The truth is, obedience and respect should not be granted automatically. They should be earned. They should be based on the parents' (or the authority figure's) performance. Some parents deserve respect. Most of them don't. Period. We're down to six.

Now, in the interest of logic-something religion has a really hard time with-I'm going to skip around the list a little bit:

* THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.

* THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

Stealing and lying. Actually, when you think about it, these two com­mandments cover the same sort of behavior: dishonesty. Stealing and lying. So we don't need two of them. Instead, we combine these two and call it "Thou shalt not be dishonest." Suddenly we're down to five.

And as long as we're combining commandments I have two others that be­long together:

* THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.

* THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE.

Once again, these two prohibit the same sort of behavior; in this case, mar­ital infidelity. The difference between them is that coveting takes place in the mind. And I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife, otherwise what's a guy gonna think about when he's flogging his dong?

But marital fidelity is a good idea, so I suggest we keep the idea and call this commandment "Thou shalt not be unfaithful." Suddenly we're down to four.

And when you think about it further, honesty and fidelity are actually parts of the same overall value. So, in truth, we could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments, and, using positive lan­guage instead of negative, call the whole thing "Thou shalt always be honest and faithful." And now we're down to three.

*THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S GOODS.

This one is just plain stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going: Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "O Come All Ye Faithful," you want to get one, too. Coveting creates jobs. Leave it alone.

You throw out coveting and you're down to two now: the big, combined honesty/fidelity commandment, and the one we haven't mentioned yet:

*THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Murder. The Fifth Commandment. But, if you give it a little thought, you realize that religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.

To cite a few examples, just think about Irish history, the Middle East, the Crusades, the Inquisition, our own abortion-doctor killings and, yes, the World Trade Center to see how seriously religious people take Thou Shalt Not Kill. Apparently, to religious folks-especially the truly devout-murder is ne­gotiable. It just depends on who's doing the killing and who's getting killed.

And so, with all of this in mind, folks, I offer you my revised list of the Two Commandments:

First:

*THOU SHALT ALWAYS BE HONEST AND FAITHFUL, ESPECIALLY
TO THE PROVIDER OF THY NOOKIE.

And second:

*THOU SHALT TRY REAL HARD NOT TO KILL ANYONE, UNLESS,
OF COURSE, THEY PRAY TO A DIFFERENT INVISIBLE AVENGER
THAN THE ONE YOU PRAY TO.

Two is all you need, folks. Moses could have carried them down the hill in his pocket. And if we had a list like that, I wouldn't mind that brilliant judge in Alabama displaying it prominently in his courthouse lobby. As long he in­cluded one additional commandment:

*THOU SHALT KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF!!!

From George Carlin - When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops (2004)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 7:09:15 PM PST
tokolosi says:
"Here's another ten that have never been out-shined for their brevity, yet profound logical advise, appealing to a global audience with a succinct and familiar theme that is intuitive by design."

LMAO... Humor through sarcasm. Good one GJ.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2012 7:10:14 PM PST
Nancy, Jesus is the Christ, our Lord and God, and there is a Heaven, Hell and Purgatory too. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Christ

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 29, 2012 7:26:13 AM PST
G. J. Stein says:
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Posted on Dec 29, 2012 7:34:59 AM PST
They are closer to being a bowl of cereal than true.

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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 29, 2012 7:36:35 AM PST
>>Jesus is, was, and always will be.<<


Jesus is, was, and always will be what?

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop..
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