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Initial post: Mar 4, 2012 6:04:31 PM PST
Blu Boy says:
I seem to be somewhat lost as to the answer to this question: If God created everything, did he not also create everything that is bad and evil?

If the answer is Satan, or Lucifer, or the devil created these things, who created him (or it)?

Any religious text passages would be helpful.

Thanks

Posted on Mar 4, 2012 7:37:09 PM PST
Ryan Willis says:
God created man and God created Lucifer/Satan. The answer to your question lies in the answer to what "sin" actually is by biblical definition. By biblical usage and context of the term "sin" we find that "sin" is not simply doing something bad, although it often is, but specifically sin is transgression and iniquity, sin is rebellion against God.

With that foundation bore in mind what Adam and Eve did was the sin of disobedience when they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Even in light of that information I can not say, nor do I think any of us can 100% say, we fully understand every detail of the how and why behind the event in the garden of Eden which led to the fall of man. What we do understand is that it was a choice and Adam and Eve both chose to sin, that is to say they rebelled, against God by eating the fruit of that tree.

God created us and created Lucifer but both chose to rebel. Adam and Eve, in laments terms, committed the sin of disobedience while Lucifer committed the sin of pride first and foremost, followed by other sins afterwards just as we followed other sins after the fall. God created us for relationship so in order for us to willingly choose Him we had to be given options which was why the tree of knowledge of good and evil was there. So did God allow the possibility of sin as a side effect of allowing His creations, both us and the angels like Lucifer, to have free will? I think the answer to that question is probably yes. However, also take into account that God foreknew the possibilities He had created and in the event we chose to rebel against Him He already had a plan for redemption designed to bring us back to Himself.

Another way to look at the bad and evil side of things is that it is simply the absence of light or good. Sin is rebellion and thus separates us from God. When we are separated from God we are further from the light and closer to the dark. God is light and in Him there is no darkness. Sin entered because we chose it over God. God didn't want the world to fall and didn't want evil to exist the way that it does now but He allowed it because we chose to allow it and God had to allow us to make our choice and we suffered the consequences of that choice.

Posted on Mar 4, 2012 7:43:19 PM PST
If one believes the myths, you have to go with the big y arbitrarily deciding what was sin.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 5, 2012 10:33:06 AM PST
D. S. Clark says:
Isaiah 45:7

The Creator created everything, including evil.

But you can figure that out without a Bible or religion.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 5, 2012 10:38:16 AM PST
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M. Galishoff says:
Blu Boy

The answer is that sin is un-creation, nihil. It cannot be created yet it exists as entropy.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 5, 2012 9:00:57 PM PST
blue

yes

God created everything

gave people free will
adam chose to sin

Posted on Mar 6, 2012 1:17:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 6, 2012 1:20:05 PM PST
MLC says:
D.S. Clark wrote: "Isaiah 45:7 The Creator created everything, including evil."

The word used in that verse in Isaiah is not referring to moral evil, but to a disaster or calamity and, in fact, is often translated with those words. It is imperative to read verses in context to understand them. Is. 45:7 is talking about the disasters that God will bring to the Israelites in punishment for sin.

When we speak of moral evil, we are not talking about anything that is created. Trees, horses, clouds -- these are created things. Evil is not a created substance of any kind. As Ryan has rightly noted, some people define moral evil as simply an absence of good as the darkness is an absence of light. Norman Geisler, in his book, If God, Why Evil? defines it as a blight on something that is good, like rust on a car or rot in a tree or a wound on an arm or leg. It's a corruption of something good.

Note that, when God created this world and everything in it, he described it as good (Genesis 1). God didn't make anything bad. Again, to repeat what Ryan has noted, rebellion is at the root of evil in this world. It has to do with humanity's choices, not God's act of creation.

The word "sin" literally means "to miss the mark". What is the mark? It's the holiness of God. We have all fallen short of his glory (Rom. 3:23).

Why did God allow sin to enter the world? He made us to be in a relationship with him. Real love has to be given willingly, not coerced. Therefore, God gave humanity the option of loving him or not. Loving God manifests itself in following his good and perfect will for us. Satan came along and made Adam and Eve doubt God's love for them and so they rebelled against him.

Satan continues to use evil today to make people think that God doesn't love them. There is one sure way to assess God's love for us. That's the cross of Jesus Christ. Even though we are sinners and do not deserve salvation, Christ died for us, that we might exchange our sins for his righteousness and reconnect with God. His death and resurrection represent the one true way to gauge his love (1 John 3:16).

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 1:46:32 PM PST
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B. Nixon says:
I agree.
Most people understand that a vacuum is "created" by the loss of the "something" that once filled the space.

The "vacuum" that once was a living spirit in fellowship with God...joined the Liar in believing that, on his own, Adam could BE AS God...and that living spirit, in a sense, became the "vacuum" of rebellion against God. (This condition couldn't clearly be see by fallen Man until God gave His Law...then the terrible compulsion to BREAK the Law of God became more evident.)

We all were born in this same condition, with a dead human spirit... dead in sin.

Jesus said "unless a man is born again (made alive in spirit, by His Spirit) he cannot enter the kingdom of God".

In essence, and in line with my analogy, a life FROM JESUS CHRIST must occur in us, by our faith in Him...receiving Him as Lord...then "the vacuum" is filled with LIFE, and we live by faith (every word that God speaks to us) and are trained and empowered by the Lord Himself...to walk in fellowship with the Living God.

In my mind our hearts were as "black holes", no light out...no hope. Then the Light of the World calls us out of that darkness, into His "light"...and He sets us free from that "darkness" of sin and death.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 2:14:14 PM PST
badback mack says:
I agree B. The actual lifeforce of the Spirit is the light of God and when they sinned that lifeforce was taken back by God. The will of man is now only physical and without His Spirit we cannot see into the Kingdom realm.

Posted on Mar 6, 2012 2:21:36 PM PST
badback mack says:
God said that in that day they would surley die. Without Gods Spirit sin slowly killed them because the lifeforce of Gods Love was taken away

Posted on Mar 6, 2012 2:39:48 PM PST
George Bush.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 5:40:46 PM PST
D. S. Clark says:
And yet the tree in the garden existed...and so did the "serpent" or whatever you want to call it. Where did they come from if not created? Where did darkness come from if not created? Where did evil come from if not created?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 5:42:53 PM PST
D. S. Clark says:
Can God create anything outside of himself?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 5:44:30 PM PST
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D. S. Clark says:
Was Satan created by God? If so, then who failed...God or Satan? If God's creation fell short...then who is to blame?

Perhaps Christ was atoning for Himself.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 5:51:39 PM PST
D. S. Clark,

You said: "Was Satan created by God? If so, then who failed...God or Satan? If God's creation fell short...then who is to blame?

Perhaps Christ was atoning for Himself."

Me: Perhaps you are confusing yourself. God created the POSSIBILITY of sin by giving freewill to his creatures.

Peace and Grace <><

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 7:09:06 PM PST
D. S. Clark says:
So he created a flaw on purpose?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 7:44:12 PM PST
D.S. Clark,

You said: "So he created a flaw on purpose?"

Me: Are you implying freewill is a flaw? Or are you implying your choices are flawed? Possibility is just that, if it means anything. It could've gone the other way, despite what you see now. In fact, it will be be the other way, "When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory (1 Cor 15:54)."

If there is no God, do you take responsibility for your sin? If so, then you really don't need to blame God for your flawed perception, do you?

Peace and Grace <><

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 7:46:52 PM PST
J. Green says:
whomper says:
blue

yes

God created everything

gave people free will
adam chose to sin
------------------------------
God did not give everyone free will however.
Just the special ones.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 7:48:19 PM PST
D. S. Clark says:
I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it plainly, lol. Isn't the Creator responsible for creation? If not, then who?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 7:49:13 PM PST
D. S. Clark says:
If there are two choices then both are God's too.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 7:52:46 PM PST
D. S. Clark,

You said: "I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it plainly..."

Me: Are you then saying you do not want freewill, since you believe it flawed?

Peace and Grace <><

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 8:00:04 PM PST
J. Green says:
james....Me: Are you then saying you do not want freewill, since you believe it flawed?
---------------------------------
Shouldn't everyone have free will?
If everyone does not have then the idea is more than flawed .
It is a lie.

Posted on Mar 6, 2012 8:24:09 PM PST
Dear J Green,

God created man in His image. Just like Him we have freewill to choose either evil or good. I believe the soul wages a continual battle between the two, just as God must do. In the Old Testament God many times directed the Hebrews to commit revenge upon other people. Isn't mass murder of innocents evil?

Louie Winslow

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 8:26:12 PM PST
Blu Boy says:
But if God knew that from his allowance of freewill there would be the fall from grace, isn't it his creation?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2012 8:28:18 PM PST
Blu Boy says:
Louie-

If that is true then God is not all good. He could only be all good and all bad, if he indeed created everything.
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