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I AM tied directly to Reality-In-Itself


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Initial post: Jul 11, 2012 10:00:40 AM PDT
Nova137 says:
Certainly.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 10:15:27 AM PDT
Nova137 says:
All visitors to this Discussion are elements of a subset of that reality.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 12:03:02 PM PDT
Craig says:
Certainly.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 2:06:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 2:07:30 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
Thanks Craig! My angle will be "objective truth claims" and how we know them from "subjective truth claims". I want to walk the thin, white line though. One of the reasons I posted this has to do with many so-called material scientists (or those that support such a metaphysics) who support that reality-in-itself can't be known. The two seem like strange bedfellows.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 6:56:40 AM PDT
Nova137 says:
QUESTIONS TO PONDER

1. When you get to Heaven, what will God look like? Act like? Say to you?

2. Is there a place called Heaven that you will someday live in eternally? Why? or Why not?

3. Do you want to go to Heaven? Why? or Why not?

4. What kind of creature will you be after this earthly life?

5. Do you believe in reincarnation? And, if so, how do you define reincarnation?

6. Can God make a stone so big He can't roll it?

7. Is God concerned in an intimate, ongoing way, in the affairs of His creation? Why? or Why not?

8. Is this universe governed only by His laws with no intervention on His part?

9. We speak of a distinction between the spirit and the flesh (for instance, the apostle Paul talks of "putting on the mind of Christ" and "to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.") Give some examples of being "carnally minded" and some examples of being "spiritually minded".

10. Are you a sinner? Why? or Why not?

11. Do you need to be saved? Why? or Why not?

12. If you need to be saved, can you save yourself? Is it your responsibility or God's?

13. Being a creature of God and therefore a part of God, are you a vehicle for God's expression? If so, might not this be the point of your existence? Why? or Why not?

14. In your philosophy, is God more of a "force" or a "person"? Defend your answer.

15. In the Book of Job, God makes a deal with Satan. What is it? What is the outcome? What do you think the point of the story is? What does this story mean to you?

16. Is the world ruled by Satan? And if so, should we all become pacifists?

17. Is there a "good fight"? Assume the world and all its wars were staged by Satan. Now, is there a "good fight"? Defend your belief in the "good fight".

18. What are the traditional Christian conceptions of Heaven and Hell as you understand them?

19. Do you think that your understanding of the traditional Christian conceptions of Heaven and Hell are Biblically founded? Would it matter to you if they weren't?

20. Is man God-made? Or is God man-made? Explain.

21. What are the attributes of God?

22. Of these attributes, which are most important to you?

23. Mother Nature seems to care little about the affairs of humanity. Do you agree? Explain.

24. If you agree, why the indifference. If you don't agree, do you agree there are more examples of apparent indifference than showing care?

25. If you don't agree, how does Mother Nature care for us?

26. In your philosophy, is Mother Nature synonymous with God? Why? or Why not?

CES 4/15/99

Posted on Jul 13, 2012 8:52:11 AM PDT
Nova137 says:
bump

Posted on Jul 13, 2012 10:34:11 AM PDT
Rubedo says:
Too many questions. Here is one more:
What is the face you had before you were born?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 11:04:56 AM PDT
Nova137 says:
I was never "born".

Posted on Jul 13, 2012 11:35:56 AM PDT
Nova137 says:
bump for Jody!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 12:16:24 PM PDT
Nova137 -- I AM tied directly to Reality-In-Itself

Can you (briefly) "unpack" this? In what specific way is I AM "tied directly" to reality?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 1:08:06 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
First: Are you familiar with the Vedic meaning behind "I AM" and what state of consciousness it points a practitioner of Vedanta to?

Second: Do you subscribe to the notion that reality-in-itself cannot be known via the senses, as they are subjective and, thus, misleading.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 1:23:59 PM PDT
Ok, let's try this again:

Nova137 -- I AM tied directly to Reality-In-Itself
Me -- Can you (briefly) "unpack" this? In what specific way is I AM "tied directly" to reality?

To respond to your questions:

First -- No I am not. Though I could probably hazard a guess.
Second -- Not at all. I know the color red on sight, the smell of bacon and onions makes me hungry, eating them is even better, if a bee stings me it hurts and Stravinsky is rancorous noise. To sum up; the senses are invaluable in assessing reality.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 1:34:37 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
Jeremy,

I would be very interested in you hazarding a guess! Are you sure about "not at all"?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 2:12:09 PM PDT
Third time is the charm.

Nova137 -- I AM tied directly to Reality-In-Itself
Me -- Can you (briefly) "unpack" this? In what specific way is I AM "tied directly" to reality?

To respond to your post:

My guess is that I AM in the Vedic tradition would be along the lines of Panentheism: that the divine exists (be it a monotheistic God, polytheistic gods, or an eternal cosmic animating force), interpenetrates every part of nature and timelessly extends beyond it.

Nova137 -- Are you sure about "not at all"?

Yes. Notice that I did not say our senses cannot be deceived (either by intent or accident). The idea that bacon and onions are tasty is subjective, that bacon and onions can provide metabolic fuel is not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 2:13:03 PM PDT
Also what is the flaw in the following sentence?

You cannot trust your senses.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 2:23:06 PM PDT
That you had to use your senses to read it. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 2:46:57 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 4:42:35 PM PDT
Harry Marks says:
Jeremy -

Stravinsky is wonderful and a revelation.

John Cage is rancorous noise.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 6:15:09 PM PDT
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Nova137 says:
Thank you Jack. I have filed them with the dozen or so I've collected over the years. Much obliged.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 6:16:23 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
Let's get more specific. Most of All Blues is wonderful and a revelation. Most of Bitch's Brew is rancorous noise.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 6:17:43 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
*We* are unpacking this.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 6:53:02 PM PDT
Eric Pyle says:
Here is an example of what Jeremy considers "rancorous noise."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQ4qbv1nDM&feature=related

I think it's clear now that we cannot trust what Jeremy says.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 7:11:21 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
I don't consider that rancorous noise, no.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 7:13:53 PM PDT
Nova137 says:
I see no flaw.
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