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Is Christopher Hitchens in heaven?


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Initial post: Aug 7, 2012 7:58:55 PM PDT
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Bohemian Man says:
The intellectual giant Christopher Hitchens passsed away last year after a battle with cancer. I'm sure many Christians have read or heard the Hitch at sometime ( at least those who don't get their entire education from the local Bible bookstore).

My question is this...

C.H. knew the Bible, yet could find no logical reason to believe it was true. Neither did he believe a God exsisted. His life experience and knowledge of the natural world convienced him that there was no God.

This man lived according to HIS convictions. He was honest and straight foreward about his beliefs.

Now, assuming heaven and hell turn out to be true, why would a loving God send this man to hell? A man who through research, observation, and reason, could not bring himself to believe in a deity?

Do you believe God sends people to hell for following their conscience?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:12:18 PM PDT
Jesus4us says:
Some Christians believe that hell is just a place of destruction, or maybe a place you spend some time before destruction. I tend to believe that view, though I'm not certain of it. So, I'd say that's what happened to Hitchens. Many believers, me included, have met God, they know the Bible is the Truth, and they know they will go to heaven. I don't see any way that Hitchens could go to heaven.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:21:47 PM PDT
i doubt it

he will be judged by God with all the other nonbelievers

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:22:19 PM PDT
really
you met God ?

did yo usee his face ??
what did He look like ???

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:23:28 PM PDT
Jesus4us says:
andthehorseirodeinontoo? says:
really
you met God ?

did yo usee his face ??
what did He look like ???

spl: Yes, I met God. No, I didn't "see" Him visually, no one can do that and live.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:30:27 PM PDT
then just *how* did you meet Him ?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:30:30 PM PDT
I believe that Hitchens will be treated the same as everyone else. Of course, I don't think that hell exists.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:32:06 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:32:48 PM PDT
When you ask if God sends people to hell for following their conscience, you betray your belief that the individual conscience is ultimate arbiter. Any of us who come to Christ must "die to self"-- there is a surrender neccessary in order to lay down myself ( and my own sinful conscience) as god and belive in the One, True God. I read alot of Hitchens, he defintely rebelled against such a surrender. You can phrase that rebellion as "he knew the Bible yet could find no logical reason to believe it was true" but it is still rebellion. I know. I used to have it myself.
Why would a Christopher Hitchen find himself in hell? The question is directly answered in Scripture. The only question for every individual is whether they believe or not.
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned. But whoever does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." (John 3:18)

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:36:14 PM PDT
No name where that idea came from.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:37:15 PM PDT
so you just make stuff up as it suits you

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:37:28 PM PDT
Eric Pyle says:
Michael,

<<When you ask if God sends people to hell for following their conscience, you betray your belief that the individual conscience is ultimate arbiter.>>

No, this is not true.

Even if there is an arbiter beyond the conscience, that doesn't mean that in every case we know exactly what the arbiter would demand. It is up to us and our consciences to judge how we should act. (This is free will.)

The question in the OP is a good one. If a person is doing his best and behaving morally as he sees it, then he is doing his best. To say that we may be wrong is merely to say that we are human, not God.

To say that we may know exactly what we should do in every case is to claim knowledge equal to God's.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:37:59 PM PDT
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You can believe what you wish. We've already had that discussion.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:40:57 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Well, my vision of hell is not of eternal torture.

Whether he got some kind of punishment or Hitch was just surprised to see that he still existed in some form or another, is up to God, not me.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

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Birutegal says:
Ah, just as I stated: CH knew little about the actual Word.

We will be living in the new heavens and new earth, not in heaven. Our stopover in heaven is limited until the time for eternity.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:50:44 PM PDT
Birutegal says:
Not exactly.

We know many things that are wrong to do. If we left it up to our "conscience," we'd be like the heathen nations around the Israelites who committed heinous acts of almost continuous human sacrifice, cannibalism, incest, rape, sodomy, bestiality, etc. Who was following their conscience then? God said that when one continues in heinous sin, ones conscience is seared. And we can see these practices gaining ascendency today, even in the west.

Everyone did that which was right in his own eyes. This was a condemnatory verse, not a congratulatory one.

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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 9:45:59 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
andthehorseirodeinontoo,

WOW! You can't even get along with your fellow Christian believers.
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