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Will God forgive Muslims, homosexuals, and athiests?


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Initial post: Mar 24, 2012 10:28:50 PM PDT
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Why not? God forgives everyone no matter how pathetic and sinful they are, it is so cheap and easy... but then on the other hand God is totally judgemental. Is God prejudiced? Is God consistant? Is God a good role model for humans?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 24, 2012 11:03:38 PM PDT
Lj3d says:
IMO, all that can be found in the bible as far as Gods forgiveness are words...words that can easily be attributed to humans of the era. Humans dealing with the issues of humanity in their day as best they could which included invoking beings to appear to be more authoratative than any human. A wiser supreme being as it were. No evidence from anything written in the Bible that there is any actual higher authority responsible for forgiving humans.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 24, 2012 11:37:22 PM PDT
TN says:
God forgives those who sincerely repent from their bad deeds, and turn their life around.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 3:03:59 AM PDT
Forgiveness means that one owes a debt. Sin or missing the mark of complete obedience to God incurs a debt which must be repaid. Humans cannot make this payment so someone paid for us. Now there is a legal basis for forgiveness but we need to actually be contrite and try not to cause these debts to the best of our ability in the future.

[God forgives everyone no matter how pathetic and sinful they are, it is so cheap and easy]

Forgiveness of human sin was the most expensive thing that God has ever done. The Bible shows that his oldest friend and son was the one who volunteered to pay the price that his human son had incurred. This heavenly son had been with God for untold epochs of time as he was the first creation. Everything was created through him and for him such was their relationship. His assignment to leave God's side for 33.5 years and then die the death of a criminal was extremely painful for them both. This was prophetically pictured for us in Abraham's journey with Isaac only in God's case he did not hold back his son for the benefit of humanity.

The Mosaic Law covenant showed just how precious that blood of Jesus would be. No amount of animal sacrifices ever equaled it. It also revealed the effects of and seriousness of sin. Without God's intervention and Jesus' willingness to pay the price there would be no hope for the human family. God will not tolerate sinfulness as a permanent fixture in his universe. And besides, humanity are moral/spiritual beings needing guidance in order to achieve harmony, peace, joy and life. Without these with get old and eventually die along with suffering to a greater or lesser extend through the time we do have. Also, the race itself, if left alone and unguided would destroy itself eventually. These things the law uncovered as realities so that when Christ was presented we could as a race study the Scriptures and see by means of the Law what sin is, what situation we are in and from what we need salvation and how great the price of it is.

[Is God prejudiced?]

No. By reason of Abraham's obedience he became God's friend. God had faith in him to the extent that he contracted with him to produce a seed who would be the Messiah who would save people from their sins. Abraham's produced Isaac who produced the Israelite nation through Jacob. This nation was dedicated to God and had special privileges but also special responsibilities all for the sake of the entire race of humanity. Therefore, God's having a special people was for the benefit of the human race, not because he was playing favorites. They often failed to listen wishing to do their own thing and God did not hold back in disciplining them just as he didn't hold back from fighting the nations who tried to efface them from the earth for the purpose of destroying humanity (unknowingly being used by Satan to do so).

When the sacrifice of Jesus was made national Israel was no longer necessary. Everyone needed to know that the payment for the human race had been made and how they could take advantage of these provisions for forgiveness and salvation from Adamic sin. Thus, the Christian congregation was charged to deliver these teachings to all nations. God is not partial but 'in every nation, the one who works righteousness is acceptable to God.' - Acts 10:34, 35.

With the correct understanding of the Scriptures it is easy to see how God is consistent throughout. He has always been the loving father of all creation. He has always been the lover of justice and enforcer of the peace in the universe as the Universal Sovereign of his own creation.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:03:11 AM PDT
Tammy says:
"God forgives everyone no matter how pathetic and sinful they are, it is so cheap and easy..."

Cheap? It cost Him his son...

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:05:25 AM PDT
Tammy says:
Yes, He will forgive any who, of their own free will, accept the forgiveness.

Not cheap or easy on either end.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:05:48 AM PDT
r0:Is God a good role model for humans?

SA: No. Not if they care for humanistic values.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:07:15 AM PDT
dan:Forgiveness means that one owes a debt. Sin or missing the mark of complete obedience to God incurs a debt which must be repaid. Humans cannot make this payment so someone paid for us. Now there is a legal basis for forgiveness but we need to actually be contrite and try not to cause these debts to the best of our ability in the future.

SA: 4 sentences, and only the first one has a basis in reality.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:08:28 AM PDT
r0:"God forgives everyone no matter how pathetic and sinful they are, it is so cheap and easy..."

Tammy says:Cheap? It cost Him his son...

SA: How so? His son is alive and well, according to the believers.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:11:15 AM PDT
Tammy says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:13:19 AM PDT
Tammy says:
Yes, after He suffered and died He was raised by G-d.

You do not want to discuss, you want to argue. I do not. G-d's blessings are yours if you choose them. If not, it is not my job to convince you. Have a nice day.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:20:08 AM PDT
SA: 4 sentences, and only the first one has a basis in reality.

Tammy says:The truth of the post you refer to requires humility to understand.

SA: Usually to understand something you require knowledge and intelligence.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 4:22:23 AM PDT
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r0:"God forgives everyone no matter how pathetic and sinful they are, it is so cheap and easy..."

Tammy says:Cheap? It cost Him his son...

SA: How so? His son is alive and well, according to the believers.

Tammy says:Yes, after He suffered and died He was raised by G-d. You do not want to discuss, you want to argue. I do not. G-d's blessings are yours if you choose them. If not, it is not my job to convince you. Have a nice day.

SA: So you concede my point, but you cannot bring yourself to actually admit it. Instead you throw a little smoke screen for distraction. Not very honest, I am afraid. Isn't your God big on honesty?

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 4:26:17 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 4:28:34 AM PDT
O, THOU who Man of baser earth didst make,
And even with Paradise devised the Snake,
Muslim,Atheist,Jew, Christian, Homosexual, and Heterosexual forgiveness give,
And TAKE!!

the Rubaiyyat of Jim

Yes, God has already forgiven himself for all the trouble that he caused.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 5:06:03 AM PDT
Tammy says:
SA: How so? His son is alive and well, according to the believers.

Tammy says:Yes, after He suffered and died He was raised by G-d.

SA: So you concede my point, but you cannot bring yourself to actually admit it.

What part about "Yes, after He suffered and died He was raised by G-d" was not actually admitting it? Yes, His son is alive and well. There. I re-posted your words exactly, is that better? Does vocabulary work, or do you need volume?

YES! HIS SON IS ALIVE AND WELL!! JESUS CHRIST IS ALIVE AND WELL AND SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD!!!!

That is the point, after all! Now, have a nice day! LOL!!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 5:27:25 AM PDT
Dear Tammy, what I am missing is you admitting your remark 'Cheap? It cost Him his son.' was wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 5:42:03 AM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Sorry, this strikes me as a troll post, meant to antagonize everybody.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 6:23:50 AM PDT
Can I propose a temporary ban on anyone who can't manage to spell the word 'atheist'...?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:08:53 AM PDT
Tammy says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:12:04 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:27:14 AM PDT
SA: How so? His son is alive and well, according to the believers.

Tammy says:Yes, after He suffered and died He was raised by G-d.

SA: So you concede my point, but you cannot bring yourself to actually admit it.

Tammy: What part about "Yes, after He suffered and died He was raised by G-d" was not actually admitting it? Yes, His son is alive and well.

SA:what I am missing is you admitting your remark 'Cheap? It cost Him his son.' was wrong.

Tammy:You will never get that. It was not wrong.

SA: OK, so now you are pivoting back to ignoring your previous remark about the resurrection. Nearly as good as Romney:-)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:35:37 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
"Forgiveness means that one owes a debt. Sin or missing the mark of complete obedience to God incurs a debt which must be repaid. Humans cannot make this payment so someone paid for us. Now there is a legal basis for forgiveness but we need to actually be contrite and try not to cause these debts to the best of our ability in the future."

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:36:51 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
"With the correct understanding of the Scriptures it is easy to see how God is consistent throughout. He has always been the loving father of all creation. He has always been the lover of justice and enforcer of the peace in the universe as the Universal Sovereign of his own creation. "

That does NOT describe the God of the OT that _I_ read. That god is vengeful, jealous, murderous, primitive and just plain mean.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:38:48 AM PDT
Irish Lace says:
"Cheap? It cost Him his son... "

No it didn't. His "son" (an interesting concept for a monotheist) was supposedly "dead" (although apparently actually running around in some nether world) for something like 40 hours. Oh, boo hoo.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:39:59 AM PDT
Vicki says:
Dear o_0,

You said :"God forgives everyone"

From what I understand in reading the Bible, you left something out-
God forgives everyone who repents (turns away from their sin and turns to Him).

You said :"it is so cheap and easy.."

Considering that last night, Jesus praying to the Father for the cup to pass from him and then finally relenting to the Father's will, I would call what Jesus did for us anything but easy.

As for cheap-
I had a heart full of hatred and it was eating away at my life. I had focused on the sins of others around me- the people who had hurt me, and then I realized that I was just as bad off as they were. There was no way for me to change my own heart. I was stuck living in the dark.

I don't consider what Jesus did on the cross something cheap because he did it because he loved us. He did it because we humans have value to him. I was pathetic and sinful, but for some reason, the Father knew that I could be something better, someone free of sin and the stink of death.

You asked :Is God prejudiced?
No. I'm not even sure why you would ask this question. God has made His salvation open to ALL who repent and believe in His Son.

You asked: Is God consistant?
Yes. He has been working toward our salvation for centuries.

You asked:Is God a good role model for humans?

God provided us with a role model- God with us in the flesh- Jesus - and I can't think of a better role model than him.
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