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if you were an apostle circa AD 30-40 and you wandered into a remote village that had no book what would you tell them about the gospel ?


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Initial post: Dec 18, 2012 6:32:31 AM PST
this village is very very remote
no knowledge of the torah tanakh or any books
not unlike some tribes along the amazon river until this century

they are very impatient
they will listen to you for a short while
but if you dont get to the point and actually have a point
then they will kill you

so with limited time to get through to them
what is the gospel of christ jesus the nazarene
without all the bloviation the church preachermen love to add on

what would you tell them that is important to the poitn and short enough to get them to listen

what is necessary and what is sufficient for them to know about the gospel

everything else is needless filler so omit as much as you can of the typical brand name churches preacherman bloviation

what is the basic message with no needless verbiage ?

be quick
you can save souls or become tomorrows dinner for them

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 12:11:30 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
1 John 4:14
We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 12:13:51 PM PST
nice

is that necessary ?
is it sufficient ?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 12:27:52 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
It's a great conversation starter for people -- even those with short attention spans. In such a situation, they'd be inclined to ask a question, so the next response would address that.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 12:53:04 PM PST
QUESTER says:
Mark Hubbell says:

It's a great conversation starter for people -- even those with short attention spans. In such a situation, they'd be inclined to ask a question, so the next response would address that.
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Ahhh ... so you're taking the 1,001 nights approach.

Hopefully, they'll be so interested in what I'm saying ... that they'll neglect to eat me. ;^)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 1:16:09 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
True.

And even if they do kill me, that doesn't mean that they won't eventually be reached. Remember the story of Jim Elliot, Nate Saint and the other missionaries killed by the Auca Indians. Their effort was followed up and the Auca's ended up embracing Christ.

Jim Elliot put it well: "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2012 6:35:28 PM PST
what would you say next then ?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 8:33:01 AM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
I would then share a bit more about the Father who sent His Son. I would point them to the fact that He is the Creator:

Colossians 1:16

"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 8:57:29 AM PST
that is nice
so why do i care enough to keep listening and not start eating

Posted on Dec 19, 2012 9:12:22 AM PST
VIA Campus Crusade for Christ's Bill Bright: I would tell them that God loved them just the way there were, but loved them to much to leave them there. Why are you assuming they would kill me, and not just ignore me?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 10:50:40 AM PST
that was the hypotheses
this remote group is isolated and they love eating people that annoy them

so get to the point

get their attention and interest

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 11:26:45 AM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
They're not ready to eat me yet, because I would point out that while God made the world a perfect place, it no longer is perfect. Sin is common to all men -- and like every other people group on earth, this tribe has experienced disease, enmity, brokenness, sorrow, and death. That is precisely why the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. He cares deeply for this tribe. This is relevant news.

Romans 5:8

"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 11:40:42 AM PST
good so far

keep it moving
they are impatient

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 12:17:25 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
Right!

So the death of Christ has value. It was not a meaningless death. It has purchased new life, hope, and purpose for those who respond to Christ's offer of forgiveness.

Romans 6:23
" For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 1:10:54 PM PST
and why do the people in this village really care about what you are saying

too slow
too boring
too irrelevant to them

they put you in the elevator to the penthouse where the restaurant is. you got one minute to get their attention with something that *they* care about. or your going to be dinner

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 1:21:18 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
Cute.

They know of the suffering and death within their tribe. They have just heard that this problem has been addressed by a God that cares for them. Now the onus is on them. They can respond to God's offer of life, or they can die in their sins. They must respond. Disregarding my words and eating me leaves them in their dilemma. Killing me is more dangerous to them than it is to me. They are the ones in peril.

Acts 2:21

"And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 1:22:58 PM PST
you may understand that
but you have not told them anything they care about yet

get to the point
and tell them why they should care

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 1:24:56 PM PST
"what is the basic message with no needless verbiage ?"

When Pliny wrote his letter to Trajan, which is at:

http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/Classics/plinytrajan.html

various scurrilous accusations were being made against the Christians of Bithynia. Pliny looked into the matter and wrote that these early Christians: "had been coming to a meeting on a given day before dawn, and singing responsively a hymn to Christ as to God, swearing with a holy oath not to commit any crime, never to steal or commit robbery, commit adultery, fail a sworn agreement or refuse to return a sum left in trust. When all this was finished, it was their custom to go their separate ways, and later re-assemble to take food of an ordinary and simple kind."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 1:32:41 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
They disagree with your assessment. They are responding.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 1:43:47 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 19, 2012 1:44:12 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
Not only that, but they now have you in their sights Horse!

Hey -- I have to log off. I'm on vacation and my wife and I have plans that are going to take me far from the computer.

Thanks for the fun exercise. And by the way, once this tribe starts maturing in Christ, they will learn to be more patient. For the word declares...

Galatians 5:19-23

"Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."

Have a glorious Christmas!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 2:12:02 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 19, 2012 2:25:15 PM PST
TheWindMoves says:
Mark Hubbell says: So the death of Christ has value. It was not a meaningless death. It has purchased new life, hope, and purpose for those who respond to Christ's offer of forgiveness.

You might need to explain a lot more. Your approach assumes that they know what sin is (they've been isolated, how would they know the Christian concept of sin?), and that they know they need to be forgiven. They would probably be scratching their heads in confusion trying to understand it.

Next, even if were fortunate enough to get through to them and they started to understand what "sin" was, they might think that because you come in the name of God - and God sacrificed his own son so that YOU can be forgiven - then they might get the impression that their hope for forgiveness is in killing you.

And MOST ESPECIALLY, you don't want to get on the topic of taking in the body and blood of Christ with natives that are a hair's breath from serving you for dinner.

I would think it might be better to start with some of the things that Jesus taught .. or to say that you come in the name of God, the Creator, who has taught you to love others as He loves you. "Love" is easier to understand than the concept of "sin."

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 2:25:09 PM PST
Mark Hubbell says:
Thanks Wind.

It was not my intent to write out the entire conversation word for word.

Why not try role playing with horse yourself?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2012 2:26:16 PM PST
TheWindMoves says:
No thanks. LOL
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