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Initial post: Feb 5, 2013 4:48:32 PM PST
Charles says:
Mark 10:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder

http://rt.com/news/britain-legalize-gay-marriage-514/

Posted on Feb 5, 2013 6:10:28 PM PST
N.Rogers says:
Just a matter of months it seems until America, as a whole, joins the rest of the enlightened world.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 6, 2013 12:04:56 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 6, 2013 12:05:50 AM PST
Are you being sarcastic? I hope you are.

Posted on Feb 6, 2013 12:59:26 AM PST
I am very delighted and very happy today.

Inequality is like slavery. It is evil. The same as racism.
Removing inequality is a step in the right direction, not only because gay people can get married, but because we as a collective consciousness can now move forward.
I rejoice with my fellow brothers in sisters who regard bigotry, homophobia and hate as something we need to transcend.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 6, 2013 4:04:16 PM PST
Craig says:
I doubt that was sarcasm at all. Very possibly correct as well. You might want to pay attention to what is happening with the Supreme Court of The United States. They will be ruling this spring on the constitutionality of parts of DOMA and Prop 8.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 7, 2013 5:13:45 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
Don't hold your breath. America can be remarkably stubborn about joining civilization. How's that national healthcare coming along?

Posted on Feb 7, 2013 5:22:47 AM PST
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MC Zaptone says:
N. Rogers said:
Just a matter of months it seems until America, as a whole, joins the rest of the enlightened world.
Amen, to that.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 7, 2013 10:01:26 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 7, 2013 10:02:40 PM PST
Charles says:
Brian Curtis says:
"How's that national healthcare coming along?"

England is trying to get rid of theirs. Yep !! they want to make insurance billionaires over there now too.

Posted on Feb 8, 2013 3:27:02 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013 3:29:56 AM PST
Astrocat says:
That is really good news. And here we are, the good ole' US of A, still living in the dark ages.

Posted on Feb 8, 2013 3:34:46 AM PST
I'm on the 'make it legal and get it over with' train.

Most of the United States is not Christian and never will be. Why try to enforce Christian beliefs on them?
Gay people marrying does nothing to hurt my marriage or family, and it helps theirs (health care benefits, medical visitation, inheritance, loads of things).

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013 3:41:36 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 8, 2013 3:42:32 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Britain is NOT trying to get rid of its NHS system, it is under financial strain from all the 'hospital tourism'. You see we take the Hippocratic Oath very seriously here, that means never turning a sick person away, regardless of creed, race or financial situation. This means that we are open to abuse by people travelling from all over the world for certain treatments. We are looking to financially restructure it by perhaps 'means testing' patients. Yes we have a version of Socialism-lite, where we put all our citizens before the financial gain of shareholders. But remember we are one of the few countries that are holding up against the financial downturn and the world recession. Plus we do not owe 3 trillion dollars or have to plead with communist China just to keep trading.
As for Gay marriage, if you are that desperate to get it legalised, get out and fight for it.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013 8:01:16 AM PST
Charles says:
M. C. Williams says:
""Britain is NOT trying to get rid of its NHS system, it is under financial strain from all the 'hospital tourism'. You see we take the Hippocratic Oath very seriously here, that means never turning a sick person away, regardless of creed, race or financial situation. """

http://mighealth.net/uk/index.php/The_Health_Care_System_in_the_UK

Private healthcare
The private healthcare sector is much smaller than the NHS and does not have the same structures of accountability. It mirrors the NHS by providing GPs (many doctors in the NHS also have private practices), nursing homes, ambulances, hospitals and medical specialists, but it does not have to follow national treatment guidelines and health plans and it does not have responsibility for the health of the wider local community.
Private health insurance: Membership of health insurance schemes, such as BUPA, accounts for a large proportion of private health treatment. Many employers offer membership of such schemes or people pay for it themselves.
Secondary care in the private sector: Secondary care, which refers to more specialised health treatment such as hospitals, mental health provision and care for the elderly, is well served by the private sector. While people may be registered with an NHS GP, the private sector is often used for secondary care such as:
Diagnostic tests for certain conditions, one-off specialist treatment such as visiting a dermatologist, specific operations in a private hospital, non-essential treatment such as cosmetic surgery and treatment for addiction or rehabilitation
Private hospitals: There are over 300 private hospitals in the UK. Private hospitals are provided by private hospital groups and the NHS also provides a number of private patient units within its hospitals. Private hospitals are licensed by the local healthcare authority, which conducts two inspections a year. They are not regulated by the national inspection bodies that monitor NHS organisations.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013 8:12:06 AM PST
Charles says:
M. C. Williams says:
Britain is NOT trying

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/18/british-government-to-introduce-privatization-in-health-care-system/

British government to introduce privatization in health-care system
POSTED AT 11:45 AM ON FEBRUARY 18, 2012 BY ED MORRISSEY


While the US federal government expands its diktat power over American health care, the British are looking for ways to rescue themselves from their own government-run system. In an attempt to resolve access and provider issues, Prime Minister David Cameron and the Conservatives want to begin outsourcing work to private practitioners outside the NHS, a reversal of over six decades of public policy:

Posted on Feb 8, 2013 8:49:06 AM PST
Charles says:
Time over cost. Advantage over cost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPj6BO-dcqc

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013 9:54:32 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 8, 2013 2:55:04 PM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Charles, read the piece, found it totally one sided and based on alleged proposals rather than reality. Companies give health care packages as part of a wage structure and private care has always been the preference of the wealthy. So there is the scope to run a two tier system, where those who can afford or have access to private healthcare can do so but they will not be excempt from paying into the NHS through their National Contribution Tax, rather they will pay twice. Those who choose the private route will usually do so for specific reasons, that they wish to circumnavigate the NHS waiting list or they prefer a quieter more luxurious setting. All private hospitals are staffed by doctors, consultants and surgeons who HAVE to conduct regular NHS hospital work alongside private practice. It is also worth noting that a lot of the state run hospitals are run as teaching facilities and if you wanted specific treatment, lets say for Hep. C you would ONLY receive that at an NHS hospital (no private healthcare scheme would touch it, far too expensive) but they would have the most advanced up-to-date treatment as the drug companies will always give them precedence over Private hospitals because of the bulk purchasing power and monies spent.
So far, the only major work to be outsourced is the hospital cleaning and food provision, these are failing especially the cleaning, cheap migrant labour employed by specialist agencies have been blamed for falling standards of hygiene and the growth of the deadly superbugs, C. Diff. and MRSA.
What is really happening under the Cameron government is the redistribution of funds to various NHS trusts which has seen tens of thousands of people marching on the streets as local hospitals are closed or downgraded while others are modernised.
As for secondary care, say for the elderly, if you care to do your research a little more thoroughly you will see that a number of private care homes are currently being closed down or taken through the courts for failing those in their care. One particular private care home was filmed by undercover BBC reporters and showed residents being punched and kicked.
Our experiences of private healthcare have so far been anything but encouraging.
Edit: here is a link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13548222

And the downsizing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/jan/31/lewisham-hospital-politics-live-blog

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Posted on Feb 9, 2013 7:08:36 AM PST
ribbon says:
NR: Just a matter of months it seems until America, as a whole, joins the rest of the enlightened world.

J: Are you being sarcastic? I hope you are

R: Where on earth did you find sarcasm in that statement? I can understand you wanting the French to not join in but why do you care if America does?

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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 7:26:06 AM PST
stevign says:
re: "but why do you care if America does?"

Europeans and our own European wannabes always have the smug idea that they are somehow more "enlightened" that we Yanks. Meanwhile their own Socialist Democracies suffer from various governmental, social and economic problems.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 4:21:26 PM PST
Charles says:
Well i will apologize in advance if I'm wrong on this since we more than likely won't be posting together here forever. But I'll bet that it will come to be that England's healthcare services are replaced by billionaire insurance co .

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 4:29:53 PM PST
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Charles says:
sorry just back here and saw this. While i doubt God would get involved in it i do feel that any couple that cares enough to openly display their love, should have the same right afford all. And it is natural and therefore might be construed as sent from God.
NOT SARCASM

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