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Initial post: Nov 2, 2012 3:10:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 5, 2012 1:23:06 PM PST
A quickie, appropriate to follow us all awash in La Mer...

Pick a piece from the fjordlands or the empires where it spread its wealth. Basically anywhere something Germanic is spoken, unless 1) it's the German language proper (green on the linked map) or 2) was already traversed in Rule Brittania! Yiddish? Afrikaans?? Go for it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Germanic_languages_in_Europe.png

Addendum: because perceived Northern affinity trumps linguistic ones, the Baltic region will be participating in this game.

As prior, its composer needs to have been born (or musically come of age by experience or education) in a "proper" locale for the work to qualify for inclusion here. Otherwise the drill is the same:

- Nominate one or two, up to twice per Amazon day, at least 9 hours apart, no matter the day.
- Once seconded a nominee makes the voting list (must be different people).
- NB: Only two works can be listed per turn -- 2 noms, 2 seconds, or one of each.
- Maximum of 40 on the voting list, at which time nominations are closed.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:15:33 PM PDT
MF says:
Presumably, MZ, you mean what we would euphemistically call the Baltic lands?

In which case I nominate:
Sibelius: Symphony #5
Sibelius: Violin Concerto

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:22:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 2, 2012 3:23:18 PM PDT
David M. says:
Nominate:

Nielsen: Symphony No. 3
Tveitt: 100 Hardanger Tunes

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:22:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 2, 2012 3:33:50 PM PDT
Actually I was thinking more Nordic than Baltic. So Iceland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, etc.

But since Swedish is an official language in Finland, they would count . . . unless people would prefer to give the Baltics a game of its own.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:33:31 PM PDT
MF says:
MZ

Yes, I see - I was considering Baltic and Nordic as more or less synonymous, so I assumed you meant Sibelius & co. However, it does seem sensible to widen the ambit somewhat: Grieg, Pettersson, Nielsen, Andriesson .... and Sibelius, Part etc. would make for a better game.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:37:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 2, 2012 3:40:45 PM PDT
I'm fine either way. If we do BalNordic though, I'd up the nominee list to 50 at least.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:46:55 PM PDT
Dichterliebe says:
Does upstate Michigan count?

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 3:49:58 PM PDT
Exempted by (2) ;-)

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 5:13:41 PM PDT
Thomas E. says:
Nominate:

- Grieg: Piano Concerto in A minor, op.16
- Grieg: String Quartet no.1 in G minor, op.27

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 5:47:31 PM PDT
nominate:

Sibelius: Symphony No. 3 in C major, Op. 52
Nielsen: Symphony No. 4, Op. 29 "Inextinguishable"

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 6:50:19 PM PDT
I would like to see a separate Finnish/Baltic game to which we can add Hungary, as Hungarian is related to Finnish.
There are a good number of prospects for such a game. At the same time, even without Germany and Austria, there are still quite a large number of prospective composers for a Germanic game.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 9:09:53 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 2, 2012 9:18:17 PM PDT
Like the idea, but Bartok, Liszt, Kurtag vs Sibelius, Rautavaara, Saariaho seems odd company. Other opinions? Thanks.

Posted on Nov 2, 2012 9:41:42 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 2, 2012 9:42:13 PM PDT
David M. says:
I think it makes more sense to save Hungary for a "Eastern Europe minus Russia" game, which would also also include the Czechs, Poles, and Enescu.

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 12:18:50 AM PDT
MF says:
I agree with David, even though the Finno-Ugric idea had occurred to me before. However, our perceptions of Sibelius's music (and the music of his successors) are so much imbued with images of what JRR Tolkien was pleased to call 'northernness', that the linguistic connection with Hungary seems now musically incongruous.

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 2:41:47 AM PDT
Jim Ginn says:
leave Sibelius out--he will outscore most others in this area--he deserves a separate game,or did we have one already?

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 5:00:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 3, 2012 5:03:06 AM PDT
David M. says:
Nominate:

Buxtehude: Organ Preludes
Nielsen: Symphony No. 2

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 6:02:54 AM PDT
Second:

Nielsen: 3rd Symphony "Espansiva"

Grieg: Piano Concerto

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 6:43:01 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 3, 2012 6:47:39 AM PDT
Not sure what nations are being included in this game: Scandinavia only? So Sweden, Iceland, Norway, and Denmark? No Finland and no Baltics?

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 6:49:17 AM PDT
Nominate Norgard Symphony 3
Nominate Norgard Symphony 2

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 7:32:20 AM PDT
Generally, the consensus seems against a Finno-Ugric future game. This means Baltics are included here -- we'll have to run the risk of Sibelius trouncing the competition ;-)

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 7:44:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 3, 2012 2:49:42 PM PDT
UPDATE

* voting list *
Grieg: Piano Concerto in A minor (op.16)
Nielsen: Symphony #3 "Espansiva"
Nørgård : Symphony #3

* nominated *
Buxtehude: Organ Preludes
Grieg: String Quartet #1 in G minor (op.27)
Nielsen: Symphony #2
Nielsen: Symphony #4 "Inextinguishable" (op.29)
Nørgård : Symphony #2
Sibelius: Symphony #3 in C major (op.52)
Sibelius: Symphony #5
Sibelius: Violin Concerto
Sweelinck: Variations on Secular Songs
Tveitt: 100 Hardanger Tunes

2nd - Nørgård : Symphony #3
Nom - Sweelinck : Variations on Secular Songs

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 5:05:46 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 3, 2012 5:06:03 PM PDT
Thomas E. says:
I think the Nordic countries (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland) should have one game. And the eastern-European countries another (the Baltic countries, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania and the Balkans).

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 5:21:05 PM PDT
nominate:

Gade- Cantata: Spring Fantasy, Op. 23
Berwald: Symphony No. 3 in C major (Singulière)

i agree with thomas e in making this nordic, and then later an eastern europe/baltic game.

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 6:05:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 3, 2012 6:24:58 PM PDT
Clearly this one is tricky, but Sibelius vs Lutoslawski vs Bartok makes zero sense to me. Notes per measure, the Baltic guys have more in common with Brucknerian austerity than Lisztian virtuosity ;-) Grouping them with Eastern Europe would be more compelling if its Slavic contingency -- Latvia, Lithuania -- were going to be represented more.

Nominating...
Andriessen : Writing to Vermeer
Rangström : Symphony #3 "Song under the stars"

Posted on Nov 3, 2012 6:10:53 PM PDT
MF says:
Nominate:
Peddersson: Symphony #7
Second
Nielsen: Symphony #4

My apologies - my use of the term 'Baltic' has given rise to confusion. 'Nordic' as defined by Thomas E., and more or less coincident with MZ's original conception, seems to me the best. I had forgotten that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are often called the 'Baltic countries'.
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