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Napoleon, New Orleans, and canned beans: Best of 1810-1819, nominating round


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In reply to an earlier post on May 21, 2012 4:17:41 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 4:23:29 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Well, consistency seems to be lacking! So pending further evidence or objections, we'll leave it on the voting list. And thanks David!

That leaves our other issue. What do we do about the Schubert song problem? Is there an easy and short way to group his better songs through 1819? Henry Kaspar has a couple of suggestions above, we may not have the perfect solution yet, if there is one. I'm not a lieder fan, so please help out here.

Posted on May 21, 2012 4:38:33 PM PDT
carnola says:
Regarding the Paganini caprices.
- The notes to the Ilya Kaler recording I have on Naxos say they were composed c. 1805.
- David Dubal, in "The Essential Canon of Classical Music," also lists them as composed c. 1805.

Regarding the Schubert lieder, there's no nice way to handle them. You could group them by poets (Der Erlkönig and Gretchen am Spinnrade are both to words by Goethe), but that's a bit arbitrary.

In reply to an earlier post on May 21, 2012 4:51:26 PM PDT
KenOC says:
OK, vote time re Paganini 24 Caprices:

A - 1810s (this decade
B - 1800s

Please note your choice, thanks!

Posted on May 21, 2012 4:58:09 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Would it be right to say these are Schubert's more popular songs before 1820? I could try to make these a group...

Gretchen am Spinnrade, D118 (Goethe)
Heidenroeslein, D257 (Goethe)
Mignon - kennst du das Land, D.321 (Goethe)
Litanei auf das Fest Allerseelen, D.343 (Jacobi)
Der Erlkoenig, D328 (Goethe)
Seligkeit, D433 (Holty)
Der Wanderer, D493 (Schmidt)
Der Tod und das Maedchen, D531 (Claudius)
An die Musik, D547 (Schober)
Die Forelle, D550 (Schubart)

Posted on May 21, 2012 5:52:42 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 5:52:59 PM PDT
carnola says:
Regarding 24 Caprices - I vote B

I'm indifferent as to how Schubert's songs are treated in this round. If forced to choose, I'd say they must stand on their own. It doesn't make a lot of sense to arbitrarily consider a collection of mostly unrelated songs against single works or groups conceived as a collection.

Of course, we already went against that in numerous Chopin groupings--you might as well consider all of Schubert's songs written in this decade as a single entity.

It's only a game, so it matters not to me.

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:08:44 PM PDT
I vote B.

In its place I'll nominate:
Field: Piano Concerto #2 in A-flat major (1816)

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:10:56 PM PDT
Mahlerian says:
Second Beethoven An die ferne Geliebte and Symphony No. 8

In reply to an earlier post on May 21, 2012 8:19:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 8:20:13 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Re Paganini, we have three sources. Two say the 1800s and the third (Wiki) is divided on the matter. So Paganini is deferred until the next round. Schubert I'll leave alone due to lack of good ideas.

DavidRFoss and M Ziolkowski, you each have a bonus vote to spend.

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:25:24 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Nominate:

Beethoven: Egmont Overture Op.84 (1810)
Beethoven: Wellington's Victory Op.91 (1813) -- Yes, really!

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:28:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 8:28:11 PM PDT
Mahlerian says:
You sick, sick man! :)

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:36:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 8:37:51 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Voting list (22):
Beethoven: An die ferne Geliebte Op.98 (1816)
Beethoven: Cello Sonata #4 in G major Op.102/1 (1815)
Beethoven: Cello Sonata #5 in D major Op.102/2 (1815)
Beethoven: Für Elise WoO59 (1810)
Beethoven: Piano Concerto #5 in Eb major Op.73 "Emperor" (1809-11)
Beethoven: Piano Sonata #26 in Eb major "Les adieux" (1810)
Beethoven: Piano Sonata #28 in A major Op.101 (1816)
Beethoven: Piano Sonata #29 in Bb major Op.106 "Hammerklavier" (1818)
Beethoven: Piano Trio #7 in Bb major "Archduke" Op.97 (1811)
Beethoven: String Quartet #11 in F minor Op.95 "Serioso" (1810)
Beethoven: Symphony #7 in A major Op.92 (1811-12)
Beethoven: Symphony #8 in F major Op.93 (1812)
Hummel: Piano Concerto #3 in B minor Op.89 (1819)
Rossini: The Barber of Seville (1816)
Schubert: Der Erlkönig D.328 (1815)
Schubert: Piano Quintet in A major D.667 "Trout" (1819)
Schubert: Piano Sonata in A major D664 (1819)
Schubert: Symphony #2 in Bb major D.125
Schubert: Symphony #4 in C minor D.417 "Tragic" (1816)
Schubert: Symphony #5 in Bb major D.485 (1816)
Schubert: Symphony #6 in C major D.589 "Little C major" (1818)
Weber: Clarinet Quintet in Bb major Op.34 J182 "Grand Quintet" (1811-13)

Waiting list:
Beethoven: Egmont Overture Op.84 (1810)
Beethoven: Fidelio (1805-1814)
Beethoven: Piano Sonata #27 in E minor Op.90 (1814)
Beethoven: Violin Sonata #10 in G major Op.96 (1812)
Beethoven: Wellington's Victory Op.91 (1813)
Hummel: Piano Concerto #2 in A minor Op.85 (1816)
Hummel: Piano Sonata #5 in F# minor Op.81 (1819)
Spohr: Octet Op.32 (1814)
Weber: Clarinet Concerto #1 in F minor Op.73 J114 (1811)
Weber: Clarinet Concerto #2 in Eb major Op.74 J118 (1811)
Weber: Invitation to the Dance (1819)

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:44:58 PM PDT
2nd Weber Clarinet Concerto #1 in f minor, Op. 73 J114 (1811)
2nd Weber Clarinet Concerto #2 in Eb, Op. 74 J118 (1811)

In reply to an earlier post on May 21, 2012 8:48:02 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Remember David, you have a bonus vote as well.

Posted on May 21, 2012 8:58:29 PM PDT
Oh, thanks KenOC...

2nd Spohr Octet Op. 32 (1814)

Posted on May 21, 2012 9:10:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 9:11:12 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Our voting list is still less than diverse. So a probably illegal reminder that Field wrote 8 (about half) of his Nocturnes in this decade...

Posted on May 21, 2012 10:05:27 PM PDT
how about all the overtures Rossini wrote between 1810 and 1819 ?

In reply to an earlier post on May 21, 2012 10:19:03 PM PDT
David M. says:
Second Egmont Overture & Fidelio

Posted on May 21, 2012 10:20:43 PM PDT
KenOC says:
We're at 27.

Posted on May 21, 2012 10:32:22 PM PDT
Ken, the Field nom I made didn't make it to the most recent list. Thanks.

Posted on May 21, 2012 10:41:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 10:41:49 PM PDT
mojoworking says:
Someone please second Beethoven's PS27

Second
Beethoven: Violin Sonata #10 in G major Op.96 (1812)

In reply to an earlier post on May 21, 2012 10:47:44 PM PDT
KenOC says:
Sorry MZ, got it. We're at 28.

Posted on May 21, 2012 10:52:47 PM PDT
OK I'll second the Beethoven sonata #27 although I don't remember which one it is.

Posted on May 21, 2012 10:54:15 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 21, 2012 11:05:17 PM PDT
KenOC says:
29! One to go.

Posted on May 21, 2012 11:49:45 PM PDT
Shameless plea for Field, Field, Field!! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012 12:07:14 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012 12:14:02 AM PDT
KenOC says:
Ah, the stroke of Amazon midnight! I second:

Field: Piano Concerto #2 in A-flat major (1816)

Thank you all! The voting game will commence momentarily. Just after midnight, plenty of time for everyone to get in two votes the first day.
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