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Posted on Mar 18, 2012 8:31:50 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 8:10:08 AM PDT
carnola says:
I think by "leader" they mean concertmaster, as we have it in the states. By this time, the usual guidance was to ignore Beethoven's conducting and "follow the leader" due to his deafness.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 6:32:50 PM PDT
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KenOC says:
To my mind, Beethoven's 7th Symphony brought his 2nd period to a close, at least so far as major works were concerned. It was the last of three big, broad works in major keys:

Emperor Concert, 1810.
Archduke Trio, 1811.
7th Symphony, 1812.

In ten years he had written the works that form the foundation of the current classical repertoire. He was 42 years old. Then things became more difficult. His productivity dropped dramatically, and the works he composed, while of the highest quality, seemed to be looking for a new direction:

Op. 102 cello sonatas, 1815.
Op. 101 piano sonata, 1816.

He finally broke loose with the Hammerklavier Sonata in 1819, and the rest is history.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 5:51:32 PM PDT
MF says:
In my early - and uninformed - dabblings in classical music, the Beethoven 7th seemed to me so wonderful that I assumed as a matter of course that every one regarded it as self evidently the greatest of symphonies. Now, considerably better acquainted with the symphonic tradition, that view still does not seem misconceived.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 5:40:41 PM PDT
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KenOC says:
Maybe Schuppanzigh conducted one, Beethoven the other? Ludwig's hearing was pretty poor by that time, but maybe he could still conduct.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 5:30:45 PM PDT
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KenOC says:
And from the AMZ review of that concert, speaking first of Wellington's Victory (yeah, I've quoted this before): "We hardly need to add that laymen were completely amazed at this work and did not know what had happened to them, while on the other hand connoisseurs preferred the preceding symphony as a more noble work of art by far."

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Posted on Mar 17, 2012 4:51:32 PM PDT
T. Anderson says:
couldn't have put it better, cut 'n cuddly! it's at the top of my list.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 11:32:49 AM PDT
No.7 is indeed the "effing brilliant"!!!!!

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 11:17:20 AM PDT
T. Anderson says:
i'm just glad the eroica didn't win! i'm surprised it was 7, though. i figured 3, 6 or 9. i was surprised 8 was so low; but then it is overshadowed by 7 & 9.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 10:33:13 AM PDT
I'm delighted that my beloved No. 4 did so well. What a perfect gem it is...

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 10:05:35 AM PDT
Ahmad says:
And No.7 before Nos. 3,5,6 & 9. Makes you think..

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 10:03:27 AM PDT
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KenOC says:
The game had some unexpected (to me) results:

- #9 in mid-pack, behind not one but *two* even-numbered symphonies.
- #4 ahead of #5.
- #1 ahead of #2.

Probably not flukes since there were quite a few people playing...overfamiliarity playing a role?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 10:00:05 AM PDT
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Ahmad says:
No. 9 - The Final Chapter
No. 9 - The Deaf?

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 9:58:05 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 9:54:19 AM PDT
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KenOC says:
Looks like it's all over. Thanks folks! And...the results:

1 - Symphony #7 in A major
2 - Symphony #3 in E-flat major, 'Eroica'
3 - Symphony #6 in F major, 'Pastorale'

4 - Symphony #4 in B-flat major
5 - Symphony #9 in D minor, 'Choral'
6 - Symphony #5 in C minor

7 - Symphony #8 in F major
8 - Symphony #1 in C major
9 - Symphony #2 in D major

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 9:39:42 AM PDT
Donald Waits says:
KenOC says, "Feel free to suggest nicknames for those that Beethoven forgot!"
No. 5 - "Knocking"
No. 1 - "The Haydn"
No. 2 - "The Runup to the Third"
No. 4 - "The 'Gotcha'"
No. 7 - "The Zardoz"
No. 8 - "The Cokehead"

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 6:19:29 AM PDT
I have my new set of Sibelius Symphonies - the Collins set - to listen to today, as they finally arrived!

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 5:53:46 AM PDT
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Posted on Mar 17, 2012 4:35:16 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 2:54:37 AM PDT
Ahmad says:
After Bartok,

Symphony #1 in C major - 25
Symphony #2 in D major - 23

1++

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 1:57:28 AM PDT
If I had to rank these works myself, Ken, I'd have put Nos.1 and 2 relatively low, in a group with No.8, but ahead of No.6, which is my least favourite of the Nine; and the choice is not an easy one - it's a bit like asking if you prefer Sovereigns or Krugerrands!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 17, 2012 1:32:16 AM PDT
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KenOC says:
Well. This is getting very interesting. A reminder that the criterion for choosing is simply "your favorite." Nothing more. And, of course, nothing less.

Posted on Mar 17, 2012 1:24:51 AM PDT
....and after Ken I strike a blow for the dignity of No.1 !!!!

Symphony #1 in C major - 23
Symphony #2 in D major - 23

It's not as if either of these is in any way "bad"; they're by BEETHOVEN, for God's sake!
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