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Initial post: May 30, 2012 4:21:12 AM PDT
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Posted on May 30, 2012 4:23:58 AM PDT
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Posted on May 30, 2012 4:49:46 AM PDT
debussy's opera 'afternoon of a a faun'

Posted on May 30, 2012 4:51:46 AM PDT
MacDoom says:
Wagner's variations on a theme by Brahms.
Schubert's Unstarted.
Mozart's 'à la manière de Maurice Ravel'
Haydn's second set of 104 symphonies.
Mussorgsky 'Pictures of an inhibition'
Tallis: 'Processed pork in garlic' (spam in allium)
Sibelius 8. And 9. And 10.
Berlioz: the film music.
Beethoven's Rondo a capriccio 'Verdammt, wo habe ich meine Schlüssel nun wieder'
Shostakovich: Ballet 'The Two-Fingered Salute' in memory of our beloved leader Stalin

Posted on May 30, 2012 4:57:07 AM PDT
carnola says:
Before attempting to come up with some imaginary compositions, there are also the compositions that were but aren't anymore.
Biggest group is Bach's missing cantatas--if we only had a time machine to go back and rescue them. Curses for the loss!

And a famous semi-imaginary piece is Sibelius' 8th Symphony

But for imaginary pieces, I'd like to listen to Hans Rott's Symphonies 2 through 5, Schubert's piano sonatas 22-32, and Gershwin's 2nd and 3rd piano concerto.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 4:58:46 AM PDT
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carnola says:
MacDoom, perhaps "Pictures at an Inquisition" would be a worthy Mussorgsky piano composition orchestrated by Shostakovich.

Posted on May 30, 2012 5:15:36 AM PDT
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scarecrow says:
I would have loved to see:
it's almost sad to contemplate all the music never written, Well what we have is OK sustaining,
We have the right amount of music, not too much nor too little;

No one ever did a "Toccata for a mis-tinsiled Christmas Tree",piano solo. . .

I'd love to see an Opera on Lucy Parsons, or the Haymarket Riots,or both; she was there. . . .

Rossini should have written an opera on food, "Cosi fan tutti fruitti"
where you have Falstaff-like lechers chasing young girls and boys. . .scandalous!

Solo Cello work by Mendelssohn
a Beethoven Song Cycle equal in scope to Schubert's "Winterreise"
Unaccompanied Clarinet Solo, (No piano) by Brahms
more preludes,or nocturnes; solo piano;or a "Songs without Words" solo piano,(No not another concerto) George Gershwin
Debussy and Edgar Allen Poe Opera or a dramatic work half an hour long. . .
He tried with "The Fall of the House of Uscher"
Schubert Horn Concerto
Solo Harp piece with voice by Hugo Wolf
Piano Sonata, Giuseppe Verdi (perhaps not, he didn't know how to write for the piano)
Richard Strauss Tuba Concerto(based on "Die Frau ohne Schatten")
Bruckner Piano Sonata(He does have an "Idyll" left in a sketch. . .
Mahler completing the Tenth
Symphony,Ruth Crawford Seeger
percussion piece7 players, Charles Ives, (he does have a sketch of something)
Fourth Piano Sonata, Pierre Boulez
Solo Trumpet Suite(No piano) by Robert Schumann
Shostakovich Opera using Samizdat writers, (underground), He wasn't that brave!!
He should have written it and told no one about it. . . We would have heard it today. . .

Posted on May 30, 2012 5:28:35 AM PDT
Uncle Connie says:
Scarecrow, there actually is a Bruckner piano sonata - well, one movement anyway. It's a student exercise and is nothing special. But at least it's a start....

Mahler completing the Tenth - YES!!! And Schubert his Tenth, and Bruckner his Ninth, and Beethoven his Tenth, and Tchaikovsky his Seventh - why is it these guys have to go and die on us before we've gotten every last ounce of genius out of them? There oughta be a law....

My own personal list would start with Haydn finishing his last quartet, the Op. 103 and the oratorio project he half-contemplated to follow up "The Seasons" (can't offhand recall the projected subject). But again, the silly fool had the audacity to get old....

Schubert - one, just ONE good stageworthy opera.

Posted on May 30, 2012 5:28:36 AM PDT
Lez Lee says:
Mozart : Figaro's Divorce Settlement
Bach : Bad-Tempered Clavier
Cage : Symphony of 1,000

(MacDoom's 'Spam In Allium' had me falling about laughing!)

Posted on May 30, 2012 6:02:22 AM PDT
carnola says:
Mikis Theodorakis : Rage over a Lost Drachma

Posted on May 30, 2012 6:57:09 AM PDT
HB says:
Schoenberg 12 tone version of the Bizet Carmen Suites
Bernstein "A New Yorker in Vienna"
Haydn Oratorio "The End"
Mendelssohn "Bourbon Symphony"
Tchaikovsky "Optimistic Symphony"

Posted on May 30, 2012 7:03:19 AM PDT
Ho Ho! lol These are great. (I think people overuse "lol" and I usually avoid it but its true here. i'm really laughin' out loud!)

Posted on May 30, 2012 7:35:30 AM PDT
Evan Wilson says:
I kinda with Carl Nielsen had a chance to finish his projected concertos for the members of the Danish Wind Quintet. They were all intended to be psychological portraits of the musicians in the ensemble, and we got the urbane and hilarious Flute Concerto, and the choleric Clarinet Concerto, but nothing else. What he would have produced for Oboe, Bassoon and Horn endlessly intrigues me.

Frankly, I'd also loved to have seen a 7th symphony from Nielsen, considering how radically he'd changed his ethos between the 5th and 6th. Where would he have gone after the extremely mercurial 6th? If he'd lived past 1931, would the clouds gathering around Europe before WW II pushed him to produce something even more devastating than the 5th?

Posted on May 30, 2012 7:47:37 AM PDT
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Piso Mojado says:
Honorable Scarecrow's wish for Toccata for Mis-Tensiled Piano Solo was partially fulfilled by Franz Liszt's late "Weihnachtsbaum", or "Christmas Tree" set f pieces, written for his grandchildren and containing some very nice music.

Wagner contemplated an opera on Christ, after "Parsifal".

The fictitious works of the fictitious composer Adrian Leverkuehn in Thomas Mann's "Doctor Faustus", although Alfred Schnittke has re-created them in part.

Posted on May 30, 2012 7:48:54 AM PDT
Dichterliebe says:
Similar thread (there are probably others):

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 7:59:29 AM PDT
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DavidRFoss says:
Lez Lee says:
Mozart : Figaro's Divorce Settlement

Don't laugh. The famous pair of Beaumarchais plays are actually parts 1 & 2 of a trilogy. Part 3 is called The Guilty Mother:

Set ~20 years after The Marriage of Figaro... long ago, the Countess and Cherubino had an affair (!) and Cherubino is the true father of the Countess's son. Cherubino died while at war and the Countess does not want the Count to learn of her old secret (although he is suspicious of course). But the Count has an illegitimate daughter of his own and the two bastards are secretly in love!

Thankfully, things turned out better for Figaro & Susanne who are still happily married and serving in the same house. They must come to the rescue again!

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 8:06:14 AM PDT
Autonomeus says:
I would like to have heard what Hanns Eisler might have come up with had he lived long enough into the rock era to update his populist marxist approach.

I would like to have heard what Luigi Nono might have developed had he lived on into our discouraging era of doomed hypercapitalism and recovered from his 1980s funk.

I would like Wolfgang Rihm to have another go at an opera about the collapse of civilization, given that his "Conquest of Mexico" is a failed attempt -- 2012 is an auspicious year for someone to produce an opera about the Maya collapse that would be a direct parallel to our imminent ecological collapse.

I would have liked to hear what Iannis Xenakis might have produced if Pierre Boulez had made available the state-of-the-art IRCAM technology rather than the cheap computer system he was using in his later years -- I'm quite sure that Xenakis and his immense creativity made Boulez insecure.

Posted on May 30, 2012 8:07:58 AM PDT
Piso Mojado says:
At the time of his death at age 43, Alexander Scriabin was contemplating a trip to the Himalaya. There's no telliing what it might have produced. His "Universe" remained unrealised except in part by others, and is recorded.

Posted on May 30, 2012 9:12:25 AM PDT
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Posted on May 30, 2012 9:35:44 AM PDT
carnola says:
I would dearly love to hear Schumann's Konzertstuck for Eight Horns.

Posted on May 30, 2012 9:42:44 AM PDT
Piso Mojado says:
Your wish can easily be realised, Carnola, by having each of the four horns in Schumann's :Konzertstueck" play with a bumper horn alongside. I saw it performed by four CSO horns, standing, and I think from memory, with their student orchestra, the Civic.

Posted on May 30, 2012 9:49:12 AM PDT
carnola says:
I was hoping for eight-part horn writing!

Of course, there is this:
Albert Lavignac / Sischka Galop-Marche à 12
12 pianists at one piano...

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 9:27:57 PM PDT
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John Ruggeri says:
I agree with march eliot's wish that LvB had written a cello concerto.
Another violin concerto by Beethoven would have been quite fine by me also.

Verdi was toying with writing another Shakespeare based opera " KING LEAR".
O what we missed given the magnificence of his last -2- operas "OTELLO" & "FALSTAFF"

Posted on May 30, 2012 9:42:16 PM PDT
Evan Wilson says:
Some wind & brass concertos by luminaries of the mid- and late-romantic eras would have been nice. There is a serious paucity of flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, horn and trumpet concertos written between, say, 1840 and 1900.

Posted on May 31, 2012 5:28:11 AM PDT
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scarecrow says:
Hey Hutch,

Eisler's last Opera was the Faustus, I don't think it was ever performed in East Germany DDR, there was a lotta talk on it; the German Rock Group, Einstunzende Neubautten,(spelling) did do much Eisler as Rock; So there it is;

and it was all Nono could do to get his" Prometeo" performed in Europa,Brian Ferneyhough was trying to organize a performance in the USA--- at least a chamber reading of it, with the soloists from it;;-Nono would spend his last years on that; not really writing anything new;, this I was told from reliable sources;

Actually Boulez did throw his weight around, as he blocked(unofficially) an architectural commission of Xenakis, for the Cite de Musique, something like that, the details are in the relative new book, on Xenakis and Architecture, edited by Sharon Kranach;Xenakis did not work at any other public works after that, he retired to Corsica. . .
Yeah he was fearful of Xenakis; as a composer, since Maitre Boulez's creativity was drying up rapidly after "repons";
and Boulez did not like Luigi Nono, instead he chose the more playful Franco Donatoni and Berio, as token Italians;,all the young composers he liked were warmed-over impressionists,romantics, Murail, Dufourt,Manoury and Dalbavie
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