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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2012 10:51:55 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 17, 2012 10:53:33 AM PDT
J. Jarvis says:
Jacobs does tone it down on the Gulio Cesare, although he adds music that doesn't belong and I think Schlick is a weak Cleopatra, (but that's not Jacob's fault), does the same thing in Handel's Flavio (adds music that doesn't belong), transposes voices in Graun's Cesare and Cleopatra making Tolomeo tenor and another high voice a bass and even changes the name of the opera to Cleopatra and Cesare (why?), ruins Handel's Rinaldo by basically reorchestrating it with harp and organ continuo and as Zadok mentioned throwing in some castanets and shreiking sirens, slashes Scarlatti's Griselda and adds organ continuo, reorchestrates Saul (I didn't even purchase that one)....I rest my case. Perhaps it's just Baroque music he feels he needs to recompose. The Hogwood recording of Rinaldo, even with the recorded birds, is much better.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2012 3:08:06 AM PDT
E A Lovitt-it's certainly up there. I seek meaning in what is meant by it and can only come up with the observation that it's plug ugly. The WORST cover I ever saw was a DECCA of some fat Italian with facial hair and too much lipstick. Who she was has receded int he mists of time but the horror of the picture lives on. The other was one of Callas on an EMI "L'Italiana in Algieri"-guaranteed to spook the livestock. This is nought to do with Handel and I apologise for the digression but I had to get it down before my memory started to fight back in self defence

Posted on Apr 18, 2012 5:39:11 AM PDT
Peter, if you can find those covers, please post them on the Cover art thread - I wanna see !
Like this scary thing : Handel - 100 Supreme Classical Masterpieces: Rise of the Masters

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2012 3:24:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2012 3:25:49 PM PDT
Edgar Self says:
The cover described is of Anita Cerquetti, a famous female impersonator and good soprano who had a short meteoric career of ten years. Searching for her name on Amazon Music brings up an illustration of it as the first CD listed. There was a Tower Records store manager who looked just like her in certain habiliments, and he knew it. But I thought Peter promised to give up the Forum as unworthy of him or vice-versa.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2012 3:46:10 PM PDT
Only" What are you listening to". Got bored with the adoration of scratchy old recordings of dead and sometimes over-rated conductors and singers and the trenchant inability to relate to anything recorded now. Life's too short. Also a comment on George Cohan was construed as an attack on the US so I just put that reply into the ignore bin. It made someone angry that bores me. If one can't make a comment for fear of being attacked I want no more to do with it. I like the Handel thread and enjoy the read even if there's no urgency to comment.

Posted on Apr 18, 2012 4:15:13 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2012 4:17:44 PM PDT
Well Peter, excepting some recordings of Messiah, most of what's available by Handel was made in the last 20 years...
And no, there is no urgency to comment. This thread is four and a half years and moves leisurely.

I am happy to report that Esther 1732 version, conducted by Laurence Cummings, is excellent. The total timing is about 137 minutes. My recommendation for the original version is George Frideric Handel: Esther, with a timing of 98 minutes, after taking out the 7.5 minutes of an oboe sonata. So, about 39 minutes longer, 12 of which are taken up by the Coronation Anthem "My heart is inditing". It's excellent, but I consider it overkill even for Handel the Master Recycler. But he was proud of that music and didn't want it to be forgotten, so of course he's forgiven. Other additions are from the motet "Silete venti", the Ode for the Birthday of Queen Anne, and (yes!) even Zadok the Priest ! Does all this make it a better oratorio ? Probably not. Does it make for an exciting time ? Heck yes, it's full of trumpets !

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2012 4:46:25 PM PDT
I see the Cummings Esther is a Somm. I like Somm and have "Silla" on it as well as a batch of songs with Emma Kirkby. I was lucky enough to visit Handel's house in Smith St London a few years ago. Little 3 storey place and his church is a 5 minute walk up the street. To bring me down to earth opposite the house is a branch of a liquor chain rejoicing in the name "Balls Bros". being a German I think Handel would have enjoyed the unsubtlety.

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 11:35:42 AM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Handel's "Teseo" is starting its run here by Chicago Opera Theater, their sixth Handel opera in three years, five of them local poremieres. I saw their "Moscow, Cheryomushki" yesterday afternoon. It's not by Handel. Not one singer, dancer, or acrobat above thirty..

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 12:34:30 PM PDT
J. Jarvis says:
I've just been lstening to Handel's Teseo. The overture is one of my favorites. I prefer the Minkowski recording over any other I've heard, even though it's cut slightly. I'd like to see Curtis give us a complete recording of Teseo.

In reply to an earlier post on May 7, 2012 6:54:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 7, 2012 7:58:53 AM PDT
Mandryka says:
Are there any good records of Book 2 of the Harpsichord Suites? I know Olivier Beaumont's. I wonder if there are any more red blooded performances.

There's also a handful from Paul Wolfe, exuberently played.

Posted on May 7, 2012 7:21:13 AM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Landowska recorded five Handel suites before the War, and another live with elabourate doubles for the Sarabande after it. I especially like her F major, but I don't know which books they're from. You can always rely on me for a mention of Ste. Wanda!

In reply to an earlier post on May 7, 2012 7:50:56 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 7, 2012 8:06:58 AM PDT
Mandryka says:
She recorded two from the 1733 set in 1935. The rest AFAIK are from the 1720 set. Why is the 1733 set so under appreciated?

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 8:26:18 AM PDT
Nada says:
Hi, Zadok.

Just want to tell you that Arte TV has on its websites two videos which might interest you:

- Handel's "Jules César" with Andreas Scholl, Cecilia Bartoli, Anne Sofie von Otter, Philippe Jaroussky et al. (this will be available for the next 46 days):

- Vivaldi: "Farnace" with Max Emanuel Cencic, Vivica Genaux and others (this will be available for the next 166 days):

Both videos are with French subtitles. Well, I think you won't need subtitles anyway. At least with Handel ...

For other participants who can read German subtitles:


(this version will be available for the next 172 days)

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 9:32:45 AM PDT
Thanks a lot, Nada ! Do you know if there is any way to download these performances ?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:02:31 AM PDT
Nada says:
I searched the website of Arte TV resp. Arte Live Web and didn't find any hint regarding a legal download. One can create an account though, but this is for newsletters and the possibility to comment the videos. Also, if one is on Facebook, one can publish there one's own comment or what's in your playlist. (I'm not on Facebook, so I don't know which other possibilities there might be ...). One also can create a partner site where - as far as I understand it - you are allowed to embed (is this the correct term?) the videos, but only if you are a professional and only if you sign certain rules and regulations ...
Sorry for not giving better news. -

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 1:17:57 PM PDT
Ah well, better luck next time...

In other handel news, I have listened to the recording of Il pastor fido's first version HWV.8a : Handel: Il pastor fido. The singing is very good, but the tempos border on the soporific. First impression only, I need to listen to it again, but more carefully, and compare to McGegan's recording of the later version HWV.8c - it's good to have it, but I'll only recommend it to hard core Handel fans.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 6:24:52 AM PDT
J. Jarvis says:
Hi Zadok. I really like the recording. Plus, I think it's a better "version" than Handel's later revival that McGegan recorded. I've just given a listen to part of the first disc of L'Olimpiade, the pasticcio recording just out. No Handel, of course but lots of other composers. There is no recitative, just delicious aria after aria....a bit like a box of chocolates. Way too easy to overindulge.

Posted on Jun 11, 2012 4:20:23 PM PDT
J. Jarvis, is that the new hodge-podge from Naive ? L'Olimpiade: The Opera I've got my eye on it...
My Sennheiser headphones have given up on me, so I am using my old Sony ones and, compared to Sennheiser, they are garbage. Right now, I don't have time or money to get something new, it is going to wait for late next month, but I am suffereing... doesn't affect Baroque or Classical too much, but Romantic is almost unlistenable.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 6:19:14 AM PDT
J. Jarvis says:
It is indeed the very hodge-podge from Naive. There's quite the contribution from Hasse on this recording, which delights me to no end because I really like Hasse. I've enjoyed concentrating on the arias and comparing and contrasting. Vivaldi gets short shrift, but there is a recording of Vivaldi's l'Olimpiade. And how often do we get to hear Gassmann or Galuppi?

Posted on Aug 31, 2012 8:01:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 31, 2012 8:04:56 PM PDT
K. Bowersock says:
Zadok, other Handel enthusiasts: what do we know about the nine German arias, HWV 202-210? Just got the Kirkby/London Baroque album and I'm loving it. I had never heard these gems before. The liner notes, which are from '85 along with the album, state that he wrote them around the time of Cesare and Tamerlano. Indeed, a few do share similarities, while many sound like they could stand in the later oratorios, with some beefed up instrumentation of course. At any rate, I'm enjoying them (Kirikby's pristine voice no doubt helps.) Any others enjoy this recording?

Handel: 9 German Arias Hwv 202-210

Posted on Aug 31, 2012 8:08:34 PM PDT
An excellent version, KB, I bought it eons ago. I also recommend this one if you can find it : Dorothea Röschmann - Handel: Deutsche Arien (German Arias)/Telemann: Quartets. Also interested in this one : Sue Stille, Sanfte Quelle, but my "disposable" income has shrunk considerably for a while...

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 2, 2012 9:14:32 AM PDT
K. Bowersock says:
Thanks Zadok. I will be checking those out as well. Also, a pleasant suprise yesterday: I was doing a little early fall cleaning and stumbled across Curtis' recording of Radamisto, unopened, which I forgot I had bought about this time last year. Im looking forward to putting it on later as I continue my cleaning efforts (maybe I'll find an complete Bach cantata cycle I forgot I ordered!)

Posted on Sep 2, 2012 4:36:36 PM PDT
KB, how anyone can let am album sit is beyond me. When I buy, I HAVE to listen. But that's OCD. Summer clearance at ARKIV !

Saul by McCreesh for 20 bucks :

Bartoli's Sacrificum for 10 bucks :

Terfel and Mackerras for 7 bucks :

Andras Scholl and arias for Senesino :

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2012 7:54:21 AM PDT
J. Jarvis says:
That is a nice recording. Kirkby's voice is lovely and the arias are quite beautiful. I remember once years ago I was on the phone with my mother-in-law and that disc was playing. She asked me what I was listening to, and I told her. She said that over the phone it sounded like a siren's song, which is quite the compliment, I think.

Posted on Sep 4, 2012 9:23:45 AM PDT
Upcoming is a new Alessandro by Petrou with Cencic : Alessandro.
Also some Vivaldi by Biondi, for fellow Baroque lovers : Vivaldi Oracolo in Messenia.
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