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Bartok vs. Haydn vs. Schubert String Quartet Cycle


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Initial post: Nov 30, 2012 11:00:22 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2012 11:03:54 PM PST
J. Nelson says:
Thought this would be a quick but interesting game to see after Beethoven who has the most popular String Quartet Cycle. We'll start at 10 points instead of 5. I'll vote first.

Bartok 9
Haydn 9
Schubert 11

Schubert +
Haydn -
Bartok -

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 12:17:23 AM PST
"Cycle" for me includes every single published work, so it rather counts against Franz and Josef.

Bartok 10
Haydn 8
Schubert 10

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 12:39:34 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 1, 2012 12:40:42 AM PST
Skaynan says:
Hmm... There are some other composers who composed (great) series of SQ... Why just those three?

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 12:46:13 AM PST
They probably didn't fill in the form correctly!?!

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 4:16:51 AM PST
Dichterliebe says:
One aspect of the greatness of a composer is the sheer number of great works he wrote. Another is their contribution to the history of form. Is there really any contest? Certainly Bartok and Schubert each wrote several great quartets (Schubert a few, Bartok a handful) but Beethoven is the only composer that comes anywhere near Haydn's achievement -- including Shostakovich. Just my opinion, of course.

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 4:17:08 AM PST
scarecrow says:
I love the Ravel and Debussy St.Quartets, , , ,
a little later;also Elliott Carter and Brian Ferneyhough are great st.quar writers; as Peteris Vasks, Franco DonatoniWolfgang Rihm,
, Pierre Boulez his early "livre pour cordes" is a great early work, He re-did it for string orchestra. . . . . Richard Strauss did an "Metamorphosen" for string orchestra . . .

Earle Brown and Luigi Nono have only one quartet each, but is well worth the flatter. . . . both commissioned by LaSalle Quartet. .
and Ben Johnston, Just Intonation Quartets,"grammar fro the multitude"
Ralph Shapey also has great string quartets, the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh. . .
Georg Haas, and Iannis Xenakis has many great string quartets, , , ,

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 4:43:35 AM PST
Skaynan says:
Seriously, guys, as if Mozart didn't write a quantity of string quartets, quite a few of which are amazing? Or Dvorak? Or Shosta?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 9:15:33 AM PST
J. Nelson says:
@Skaynan. Those 3 are popular but not as popular as the 3 I mentioned. The 3 I mentioned are basically tied for second. http://www.talkclassical.com/22566-greatest-string-quartet-composers.html

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 9:18:18 AM PST
J. Nelson says:
Bartok 9
Haydn 7
Schubert 11

Schubert +
Haydn -
Bartok -

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 9:56:50 AM PST
Mahlerian says:
Bartok 10
Haydn 6
Schubert 10

Bartok +

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 11:00:43 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 1, 2012 11:01:19 AM PST
Ahmad says:
After Mahlerian,

Bartok 9
Haydn 5
Schubert 11

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 2:16:27 PM PST
MacDoom says:
Are we forgetting how Haydn, throughout HIS cycle, changed the genre form playful and somewhat sedate divertimento into the genre that made subsequent cycles by other greats even possible? Along with the incredible individual gems in his output? And the consistency of the quality from op. 20 onwards at least?

So, after Ahmad:

Bartok 8
Haydn 6
Schubert 10

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 3:00:28 PM PST
George says:
Bartok 7
Haydn 7
Schubert 9

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 3:05:30 PM PST
KenOC says:
Bartok 6
Haydn 8
Schubert 8

H+

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 4:01:35 PM PST
WH says:
After Ken:

Bartok 7
Haydn 7
Schubert 7

Bartok +

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 6:14:37 PM PST
Mahlerian says:
After WH

Bartok 8
Haydn 6
Schubert 6

Bartok +

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 9:08:45 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 1, 2012 9:32:43 PM PST
J. Nelson says:
Bartok 7
Haydn 5
Schubert 7

Schubert +

2 stupid people down voting the OP. Wish I knew who they were.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 12:13:48 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2012 12:24:15 AM PST
Skaynan says:
"Those 3 are popular but not as popular as the 3 I mentioned."

Nelson: I'm sorry, but I can't let it go: Do you seriously believe that Bartok's SQ are more popular then Mozart's??? I'm not even trying to ask if you believe they are "better"...

Coming to think of it, I think even Dvorak's "American" is more popular than any single Bartok SQ (don't get me wrong here, I hold Bartok in the highest esteem. Only I also appreciate other composers as well).

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 2, 2012 12:16:52 AM PST
KenOC says:
"2 stupid people down voting the OP. Wish I knew who they were."

And then you'd... [insert appropriate fantasy here]

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 2, 2012 12:25:31 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2012 12:30:19 AM PST
J. Nelson says:
@Skaynan. They are according to that poll Ken made on the other site. I'm sure there are people that agree with you but more people that don't. Mozart isn't as well known for his String Quartets as other subgenres. So this is how I see from the most highly thought of among members to the least. So let it go. :)
1. Beethoven
2. Bartok, Haydn, Schubert
3. Dvorak, Mozart, Shostakovich
4. Everything else mentioned.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 12:28:20 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2012 12:30:33 AM PST
Skaynan says:
"I'm sure there are people that agree with you but more people that don't."

We will never know, because you didn't include the other composers in the game now, did you?

And I am letting it go. But it is a kind of a small shame. It's an interesting game- best SQ composer excluding Beethoven. However I can't participate if there are just 3 composers in it.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 6:19:18 AM PST
J. Nelson says:
I did actually on the other forum. But I guess this game has great unpredictability because of the format. If Bruckner can beat Schubert, I guess Mozart could to. I'm pretty sure you didn't see how many participated in the other game and blowing them off isn't cool. I'll take the poll format over the voting off format any day.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 2, 2012 6:28:41 AM PST
J. Nelson says:
Stay classy Ken.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 7:18:16 AM PST
Mahlerian says:
After J N

Bartok 8
Haydn 4
Schubert 6

Bartok +

I think it's stupid how people abuse the "does not add to discussion" button. Maybe it should be public, rather than anonymous. That would discourage at least some of the abuse.

Posted on Dec 2, 2012 7:29:53 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2012 7:35:55 AM PST
WH says:
After Mahlerian:

Bartok 9
Haydn 3
Schubert 5

Bartok +

JN, These three are great, but Shostakovich ranks up there with me. I also love the late Dvorak SQ (but, in all honesty, don't know the first half of his SQ corpus). That said, this trio is appropriate to go head-to-head.
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