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Problems with Ripping/Copying Music from Discs and Hard Drives

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Initial post: Mar 25, 2012 4:54:38 AM PDT
Ahmad says:
Many of the tracks end up outside the designated folders. Why does that happen. Also, when I try to drag those tracks or music files to folders, the systems refuses because "File Name Too Long." Its not practical to go and try to shorten the name of the tracks when you have hundreds or thousands of tracks.

Also, I tried to make a back up copy of my 1-tera hard disc by copying its contents to another 1-tera hard disc. However, many of the tracks do not copy because again "file name is too long".
How to solve this problem. I should prepare a back up hard disc just before the current hard disc become corupt or before I lose it.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 5:01:33 AM PDT
MacDoom says:

You run into trouble because there are two different limits on names, but they are not distinguishable in the error message.

One is, as you'd expect, the name of the file itself. No rocket science.
The other is more unexpected: there is also a limit on the length of the name the file PLUS all the directory-names that lead to it.

So, if you copy the entire content of a harddisk to location 'F:\OTHER_HARDDISK\', then if you were already close to the limit but just under, the copy will fail for every file where 'OTHER_HARDDISK\' can't be added to the original path! A copy to the root directory (F:\ in the example) will always succeed. To a sub-directory, not necessarily. And yes, the whole world agrees with you: this is stupid!

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 5:05:31 AM PDT
This just makes me even happier for my CDs... or streaming... forget about downloads and ripping.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 5:49:55 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 6:26:37 AM PDT
Suzanne says:
MacDoom answered the question about file path limits; just try to keep that as short and simple as possible. Those really serious about having a ripped music collection usually buy a NAS or other dedicated drive so all of the downloads can go directly to that, perhaps only separated by composers, artists, and types of works. As for renaming the files themselves, look into Bulk Rename Utility. You can load an entire folder into it and rename all of the files in one go. The interface takes a bit of getting used to (they use abbreviations and all of the operations are listed on the same page), but once you get the hang of it it's a breeze to rename tons of files at once.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 6:28:13 AM PDT
Suzanne says:
People laugh about that, but for anyone who's ever done all-day listening sessions, physically handling CDs every hour or so can become a pain. Much more so than building a 10-12-hour long playlist and not ever have to worry about messing with physical media except a keyboard.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 6:37:40 AM PDT
John Spinks says:
march's quip about time lost is humorous, but I've yet to have a cd crash on me, eating everything of value in its path. Nor do I lie away at night worrying about when a cd will fail. I have a collection of thousands and the only ones that have ever failed have been mishandled.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 6:52:26 AM PDT
march, John and Suzanne

Actually sometimes the cds I buy are wrapped tightly in plastic and with stickers on - it's quite a hassle unwrapping them, but so far it's the least of two evils...

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 6:56:55 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:08:32 AM PDT
DavidRFoss says:
MacDoom says:
And yes, the whole world agrees with you: this is stupid!
This problem is extra noticeable on XP because the "My Documents" folder already had a ridiculously long path (C:\Documents and Settings\... ). Windows7 improved this by making the paths shorter but the problem isn't gone, its just less. I usually copy things to "C:\DL"

There's software for this. If you're using a client that reads ID3 tags, the filenames are irrelevant anyways. A "filename" is really not the place for details anyways.

The fact that you're struggling with this means they haven't made it "easy" yet, though. Maybe all the music clients are trying to move everyone to the cloud rather than making backups easy?

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 7:14:28 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:23:59 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 7:25:17 AM PDT
DavidRFoss says:
march says:
Complaining of the hassle of opening a CD case reminds me of the Seinfeld episode in which Elaine complains about how it is necessary to shake her orange juice before pouring it. I find my mp3 collection is far more high maintenance. The only inconvenience for me about CDs is storage space, or changing discs if I am driving.
Oh... its not just the case, although that is a small nuisance.

My niece started learning Haydn's E minor sonata #53 and I wanted to listen to it so I just typed "Haydn sonata 53" in the search box and there were five recordings instantly and I could listen to all five and figure out which one I wanted to mail her.

Then I remembered I had a version played by Emmanuel Ax that I had never ripped. It took me over and hour to find it. Then, I got distracted and never ended up ripping it or even listening to it... I ended up emailing her the Brendel. I just checked again just now -- whew -- I remembered where Ax was.

... and I shake my OJ before pouring. :-)

We don't need to re-litigate CD's vs. downloads every time someone asks a technical question. FWIW, despite my preference for a computer client, I like having CD's around as an extra backup, too.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:42:16 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 7:43:11 AM PDT
Mandryka says:
You shouldn't have this problem. I don't. On my hard drive I have a file called:

M:\Downloads\Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli - Beethoven Op.111, Galuppi, Scarlatti DECCA [FLAC]\01 L. v. Beethoven - Klaviersonate No.32 c-moll op. 111 - I.Maestoso - Allegro con brio ed appassionata.flac

and another called

M:\Downloads\GREAT.PIANISTS.OF.THE.20th.CENTURY.COMPLETE[PHILIPS, 200 CD's][EACAPE+CUE+LOGBOOKLET]\Vol.23 - Gyorgy Cziffra\CD1\(07) [Gyorgy Cziffra] Liszt - Etude de concert No 2 in F minor ' La leggierezza'.flac

I suspect that the problem comes from your software for ripping. I suggest you get dbpoweramp, which has never let me down.

I did have a problem with backing up long file names last year -- it sounds like the same problem your having. But it turned out to be all to do with the software I was using to backup. I now use Karen's Replicator and everything works very very well. You must prepare a backup and I strongly recommend Karen's Replicator.

I use a PC running windows 7. I use Samsung Storystation hard drives. The main drive uses FAT32 and the backup drive uses NFTS.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 7:58:07 AM PDT
DavidRFoss says:
Mandryka says:
You shouldn't have this problem. I don't.
FYI - the windows limit on filepath length is 260 characters.

The examples Mandryka lists above are 204 and 213, but that's usually good enough. But it can happen. I've seen cases where instead of "CD1", they'll repeat the entire album name and append "CD1". And as I mentioned before, if you're on XP, your "root" folder might be "C:\Documents and Settings\HP Administrator-A33H23F43J\My Documents\My Music" which puts you in a hole. :-)

Do FLAC's support ID3?

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 8:11:00 AM PDT
Mandryka says:
Doesn't it also depend on the file managelemnt system -- I picked up somewhere that NFTS presents fewer problems, but I'm not really a techie.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 8:13:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 8:15:30 AM PDT
all this is a real time saver compared to opening up those pesky cd cases and putting the cd in the player.

there area valid reasons to prefer digital media instead of physical cds, but claiming it saves time and effort isn't one of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 8:31:27 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 8:34:52 AM PDT
Mandryka says:
It's true that no one should do it unless they are calm around IT. This is especially true for anything wireless, and anything which involves a media server (like the squeezebox). I suppose some people are such old dogs they find it hard to learn new tricks.

On the other hand spotify has been very trouble free.

But look -- you don't have to find things, tidy them away, you can create playlists. For me that makes the whole thing a major step in the right direction.

But I am prepared to get involved in some slightly technical IT things without panicking -- mostly just at the level of reinstalling.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 8:33:02 AM PDT
I have ripped all my physical CD's (started doing so in 2001) and also have a large collection of downloaded CDs. All together they eat up close to 800 GB of hard disk space. In addition to the drive the music is on, I maintain two backup copies on other drives. One on site and another off site.

I do the same with my large digital photo collection.

Maintaining backup is easy. There is a utility called Carbon Copy Cloner. This works like a champ. There is also the utility called TimeMachine which is supplied by Apple with each Mac.

Yes, I use a Mac. Never had a problem with names.

In addition, I make a copy onto a portable hard drive whenever I travel. All the music you want in a box no larger than a packet of cigarettes.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 8:50:51 AM PDT
Suzanne says:
I can't help but think that those that claim that digital music doesn't save time, money, hassle, et al. simply isn't doing it right. Take the time to invest in a music server, a week-or-so to rip your collection (I actually prefer downloading what I can find online rather than ripping them myself, because then I can sit back and let JDownloader do the work for me) and tag it, and I can't imagine anyone wanting to go back to physical media. I think the problem most are having is that they simply don't know how to do it right, which is understandable since there isn't really any guide out there for how to make the switch... The first time you line up a listening session for several hours and find out how easy it is to make a multi-hour long play list, hit play, and hit pause to take breaks, you'll never want to mess with CDs again.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 9:02:46 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 9:05:09 AM PDT
another thing is I'm really not sure about this multi hour long playlists.
I usually don't decide what to hear next until i'm near or at the end what I curently listening to.
and I often just browse the record shelf to find what to hear next.

I like the ritual of pulling something off and looking at the cover and liner notes.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 9:10:55 AM PDT
Suzanne says:
Like I said in the other thread, different people have different listening habits and preferences. I'm the type that usually goes into a listening session with a clear idea of what I'm in the mood for that day and I like to line everything up one after another. If you like to decide in the moment then browsing your physical collection might be preferable. FWIW, you can still look at covers and liner notes if you scan them. That's one positive about downloading your collection (as opposed to ripping it) as a lot of people have already done this.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 25, 2012 9:35:58 AM PDT
DavidRFoss says:
palJacky says:
another thing is I'm really not sure about this multi hour long playlists.
Boxes don't get split up. A few operas have CD-breaks in logical places, but most don't, so that's nice. I don't do more than that.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 9:41:02 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 9:43:30 AM PDT
<<FWIW, you can still look at covers and liner notes if you scan them.>>
I understand that, but 'if I scan them' alone is still more work then pulling them off the shelf and looking at them.

I'm hearing wagner today, 'meistersinger' Jochum.
200+ page booklet. Yeah, I guess I could easily scan it.

Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg

granted maybe 20 pages are not in english as these 'internatioal' releases are. but the booklet is 260 pages.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 9:43:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 25, 2012 11:37:18 AM PDT
Mandryka says:
No, no, no. You make your own playlists with tracks from different Cds. It's useful to me mainly because I'm interested in different performances of the same music, so I can make them adjacent. Also the interface on ipad is really very very good, much better for accessing the music on the playlist, complete with tags, than a CD player.

I'm really talking about spotify+music library of owned music files+squeezebox+hifi+ipad. That's what you need to really see how powerful the new media is.

I don't care about the booklet. If I want to read something I can access the web while listening, via the ipad.

Another, maybe more important , aspect to this has to do with discovery. What i like is having the resources to mine an enormous library of treasures. For me it's like a big adventure: you never know what's round the corner. The new technology makes that all possible. Instantly. It's like the key to Aladin's cave.

Posted on Mar 25, 2012 11:23:49 AM PDT
Sometimes listening habits are hard to break.
I got an early I-pod and it was just far more trouble than it was worth.
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