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In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 3:09:13 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
"I mean, how long was the wait at Marvel for a new gay character after Rhodey and Northstar came out in the 80s? Yeah."

I had no idea there was a quota. Here is a list of gay, bi and transgender Marvel characters:

Daken (Akihiro) (Earth-616)

Raven Darkholme (Earth-616)

Dorrek VIII (Earth-616)

William Kaplan (Earth-616)

Heather Douglas (Earth-616)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-616)

Gaveedra Seven (Mojoverse)

Xi'an Coy Manh (Earth-616)

Julio Richter (Earth-616)

Piotr Rasputin (Earth-1610)

Irene Adler (Earth-616)

Brandon Sharpe (Earth-616)

Doop (Earth-616)
Jonas Graymalkin (Earth-616)

Jennifer Kale (Earth-616)

Roxanne Washington (Earth-616)

Roger Aubrey (Earth-616)
Val Ventura (Earth-616)

Miguel Santos (Earth-616)

Sinclair Abbott (Earth-616)

Yukio (Earth-616)

Curtis Doyle (Earth-616)

Alison Blaire (Earth-1610)

Christian Frost (Earth-616)

Jacob Gavin Jr. (Earth-616)

Arthur Centino (Earth-1610)
Mary Jane Watson (Earth-8545)

Edwin Jarvis (Earth-1610)

Henry McCoy (Earth-763)

Alana Jobson (Earth-616)

Max Modell (Earth-616)

Katerina van Horn (Earth-616)

Jazinda Kl'rt-Spawn (Earth-616)

Mariko Yashida (Earth-2109)

Tim Cababa (Earth-616)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-1610)

Jonathan Clay (Earth-616)

Marcus Roston (Earth-616)

Mulholland Black (Earth-616)

Simon Williams (Earth-763)

Hector Baez (Earth-616)

Renata Da Lima (Earth-616)

Rococo (Earth-616)

Werner (Earth-311)

Reed Richards (Earth-TRN115)

Edith Freiberg (Earth-31916)

Jack Storm (Earth-TRN115)

Jumbo Carnation (Earth-616)

Hector (Pantheon) (Earth-616)

Molly von Richthofen (Earth-616)

Luna DePaula (Earth-616)

Victoria Montesi (Earth-616)

Chili Storm (Earth-616)

William Robert Reilly (Earth-616)

Arnie Roth (Earth-616)

Raven Darkholme (Earth-TRN016)

Irene Adler (Earth-11052)

Jean-Paul Duchamp (Earth-616)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-41001)

Nicky Cavella (Earth-200111)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-295)

Myles Alfred (Earth-616)
Irene Adler (Earth-295)

David Castiglione (Earth-93060)

Amy Chen (Earth-616)

Yvette Diamonde (Earth-616)

Batwing (Earth-691)

Victor Borkowski (Earth-3873)

Dante Ortega (Earth-616)

Jonas Graymalkin (Earth-3873)

Mindmeld (Earth-616)

Josie Hart (Earth-1610)

Heather Douglas (Earth-2149)

Xi'an Coy Manh (Earth-295)

Catastrophe Jen (Earth-616)

Arnold Astrovik (Earth-616)

Irene Adler (Earth-5423)

Raymonde Belmonde (Earth-616)

Victor Borkowski (Earth-58163)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-2149)

Heather Douglas (Earth-398)

Rob (Earth-616)

Rhodney (Earth-691)

Ayesha (Earth-9997)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-1298)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-3470)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-39259)

Aundray Phelps (Earth-616)

Michael Hardaway (Earth-93060)

Xi'an Coy Manh (Earth-9620)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-901237)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-1036)

Jean-Paul Beaubier (Earth-8545)

Heather Douglas (Earth-82432)

Xi'an Coy Manh (Earth-8720)

Heather Douglas (Earth-8234)

Diana (Earth-982)

Mickey Tork (Earth-616)

Sybil Dvorak (Earth-616)

Kyle Jinadu (Earth-616)

Felicia Hardy (Earth-982)

Victoria Hand (Earth-616)

Phyla-Vell (Earth-616)

Julie Power (Earth-616)

Brian Falsworth (Earth-616)

Victor Borkowski (Earth-616)

Marlo Chandler (Earth-616)

These caracters are not exactly few and far between.

"Also, if I ever go into marketing, remind me not to work for you. Just sayin."

With your attitude towards creators you would never have to worry about me actually hiring you. Just sayin.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 3:12:08 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 24, 2012 3:15:22 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
"Your position is kind of like a little kid who wants to go to the toy store really bad and is then told by his mother that he HAS to go to the toy store or he's grounded. At which point, out of a childish sense of rebellion, you run to your room and pout and say you refuse to go to the toy store unless it's your decision to go."

Thanks, it has been quite a while (4th grade I believe) since someone has said something so rude a condescending to me.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 4:01:39 PM PDT
Grant says:
actually, they are the only ones that count because whether we like it or not, Marvel and DC are the face of comics to the general public. And you know that.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 4:04:08 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 24, 2012 4:35:14 PM PDT
Grant says:
I notice you left out all the dates when those characters were introduced. And also, I wonder how many of those characters the average gay comic reader is familiar with. Too bad those darn vulgar marketing folks weren't around to do their vulgar jobs, eh?

I'd wager that 99% were introduced within the last 10 years (as being gay). I'd also wager that many of those were (gasp) mandated. I'd also wager that you, chirs, had never heard of 99% of them before you had to look them up for this discussion. That's the problem with using wiki in a rush to make a point. Sometimes it has the opposite effect.

I mean, how on earth could I have missed Jarvis of earth 1610 or Hank McCoy of earth 743!?! If those characters don't show a picture of Marvel waving that rainbow flag, then I dont' know what will!

Posted on May 24, 2012 4:29:59 PM PDT
Grant says:
Although I guess if we never market any of the gay characters then one million moms won't be able to boycott the books. It'll just be a really cool secret that only comic book readers know about. One Million Moms, your kids are about to be secretly converted!

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 5:44:20 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
Type in "gay Marvel character" into google and hit the third link, all of those characters have bios you can click on. Is there a huge number of gay comic book readers demanding that there be more gay characters in Marvel and DC comics. After 10 years of conventions I have yet to hear a gay reader say they needed more gay superheroes. Jesse McCann has never said boo about it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 5:53:05 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
It was not Wikipedia it was a site dedicated to gay Marvel characters. I honestly don't know or care when they were introduced. I am really out of steam on this issue because I am just stating my opinion and you are really overreacting like this is some personal attack. Honestly, I have spent as much time defending my opinion as I am willing to because no matter what you are going to declare yourself right. I made a statement, it was my opinion and I never said I was right it is just how I feel in regard to what from outward appearances looks like an offensive PR stunt.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 5:57:41 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
I would say as far as leading the way in the public eye Archie comics made a much bigger splash with Kev and gave him his own book. Idiot parents are going to be much more outraged by Archie introducing a gay, pivotal character than DC tossing someone into the ring that they did not consider important enough to include in their relaunch. Now I am done with this topic.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2012 11:02:42 PM PDT
Nicos says:
What! Doop was gay? I always just assumed he was asexual (or omnisexual...)!

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 11:24:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 26, 2012 11:25:25 AM PDT
Geez, when did Daken come out as gay? Haven't been up to day in nearly a year. I'm surprised you didn't mention Colossus from the Ultimate universe. I forget what Earth that is.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 11:54:05 AM PDT
chris reilly says:
He is on the list: Piotr Rasputin (Earth-1610)
I am guessing that Earh 1610 is the Ultimate universe. It is, right?

Posted on May 26, 2012 12:10:35 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
I ordered Marvel Masterworks Warlock vol 2 and MM Captain Marvel Vol. 3 used off of Amazon so now I won't be the monkey eating grubs when it comes to talking the cosmic Marvel stuff -- as long as what is being talked about took place 38 years ago.
If anyone is interested while I was buying those books I found a half dozen sellers with used copies of the Hammer Of The Gods Volume 1: Mortal Enemy By Michael Avon Oeming for .77 cents. If you have never read it it is MAO created it back when you couldn't give the current Marvel Thor away (I think late 90's) so he sort of did his own Thor. I remember it being really good and am more than happy to revisit it for .77 cents. This was popular when it came out and the dirt cheap price must mean it was severely over printed by IDW and sold off to dealers for the price of the paper it was printed on to free up warehouse space. Amazon still has it in stock for $17.

Posted on May 26, 2012 12:23:06 PM PDT
Dag, I missed that. I keep forgetting Colossus' real name.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 1:24:29 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
That was a drag on the page I got the names from. They have a picture of the character in costume but if you want the costumed name you have to click on it and it takes you a full character bio.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 6:04:21 PM PDT
Grant says:
Was the Warlock Vol 2 more expensive than the captain marvel vol 3? I had to pay a bit more for warlock but I got a pretty good price on Captain Marvel because I bought that one when it was first released.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 6:42:47 PM PDT
chris reilly says:

On Amazon (used) Warlock was $45 and Marvel was $39. I wasn't sure if I wanted the Captain Marvel book; wanted to read Warlock first so I put Marvel on my wish list. I did not realize my wish list and Amazon purchases were posted to Facebook and Twitter (is this a new thing?) but someone saw the price on the Captain Marvel archive and tweeded that I should buy it ASAP because that price was insanlyi cheap and this one was still warped in plastic.
I didn't want to end up spending $80 on it if I really liked Warlock so I bought it.
In two weeks I will be in Dallas on business so I am going to bring the books with me to read at night. I hear the Omni Mandalay is a nice hotel and when I was in Dallas last June it was 120 in the shade so I think I will enjoy room service and some TPB's at night. Have you ever been to that part of TX? It is the hottest most humid place I have ever been. I have been to places hotter and other places more humid but never the two combined to that extreme.
I also bought the new IDW Popeye comic collection, the Carl Barks Barney the Bear book and the .77 cent Hammer of the Gods TPB's so I should be immune to a week's worth of horrible hotel tellivision. I guess the place has a bar so maybe I'll just read on the flights.

Posted on May 26, 2012 6:45:07 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
Never mind. While I was typing I recieved this from Amazon:

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In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:16:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 26, 2012 7:17:45 PM PDT
chris reilly says:
Well, I won't ever order from the seller CheapGraphicNovels again who charged my card for Captain Marvel but Amazon says the should not have but they did but it is listed as an Amazon chrge on the card... ugh, this is going to be 4 hours on the phone straightening this out on Tuesday. Hopefully I have better luck with rectoferia who I just placed another order for the book with for $40. There were no pay extra for shipping options and I am leaving on the 5th so I probably won't get to read this for a month.
Grant, there is no tightly woven continuity between Captain Marvel an Warlock that reading them in reverse order would be a major bummer is there?

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:36:49 PM PDT
Grant says:
The price for the Captain Marvel is pretty cheap given that all the starlin stuff is very popular so you probably got it as low as it's going to get. I rarely see it for sale under 45. I rarely see Warlock vol 2 for sale under 50 or 60, so that's also a pretty good price. I like Starlins Warlock more than I do the Cap Marvel stories. He had more of a free hand with Warlock than he did with Captain Marvel because the Cap Marvel stories were doing crossovers with Avengers. Warlock seemed fairly autonomous for the most part. But yeah, good stuff.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:54:42 PM PDT
Grant says:

You don't need to read one before the other. They actually have one bit in Warlock Vol 2, in the issue when Thanos first appears. At the end of the story we see Captain Marvel talking to the readers and catching us up on a bit of Thanos history and a very brief synopsis of his encounters with Avengers and Cap Marvel. But Captain Marvel and Warlock don't really intersect until the Avengers/Marvel Two In One Annual crossover at the very end of the Warlock vol, and both stories give plenty of backround even though it really isn't needed.

The only thing in Warlock vol 2 that just doesn't fit in with the Starlin stuff is the Marvel Team Up story they include with SpiderMan and Warlock. It's a John Byrne story. But the completist in me thinks it's awesome that they included it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:55:10 PM PDT
chris reilly says:

Cool. That bums me out a lot less knowing that I will probably read Warlock first. I was looking forward to the dawn of Marvel cosmic weirdness though. Worst case would be I get back from TX and it is sitting in front of my door. I chcked and double checked the prices on these books through Amazon sellers and if anyone needs them they are hovering around $40 each right now. I am really jazzed because this material has evaded me me or been out of my price range my entire life.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:56:58 PM PDT
Grant says:
So the Captain Marvel order got cancelled? Or the Warlock order got cancelled?

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:19:41 PM PDT
chris reilly says:

Captain Marvel was canceled but I ordered it from another seller. Warlock is still on track.
I should mention that the seller I kind of bashed sent me a nice email and explained that Diamond was supposed to send them a pile of the Marvel book let them know that it would be late and my order was not shiped because the book would not hit them for three weeks. I have to guess the book went back into demand because of the Avengers movie and this is Diamond further showing that they kind of hate comics.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:23:58 PM PDT
Grant says:
I thought the Captain Marvel book was out of print. Hmmm.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 9:21:03 PM PDT
chris reilly says:

Amazon is not selling it as new but if you type it in they have sellers offering it as new.
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