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Posted on Jun 11, 2016 7:41:07 AM PDT
Trying to minimize ***spoilers:

Pre-Flashpoint Wally West is the main character. He's on the edge of existence and non-existence and he visits various people, trying to find someone to tie him down to reality. More important than his own life is the message he is trying to deliver - the true cause of Flashpoint and all of its effects is... well, Wally never names him, but it is very strongly implied to the reader that the one who caused Flashpoint is Dr. Manhattan.

Rebirth does not reboot or negate the New 52 multiverse - it gives a new (partial) explanation for why it happened.

How Rebirth is connected to Convergence: Because of Convergence, the Pre-Flashpoint Superman ended up in the regular New 52 Earth-0 universe.

How Rebirth is connected to the Darkseid War: well, um, I haven't read all of the Darkseid War yet, so I don't know. When Batman was in Metron's chair, he asked it "What it Joker's real name?" We the readers aren't told the answer, but after Batman hears the chair's response, he says "that's impossible." ***spoiler*** Rebirth tells us "there are three Jokers," which doesn't really answer the question.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 8, 2016 7:49:43 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
I'm not too sure I missed the main rebirth issue since it sold our so fast.
The only dc stuff I read is superman lois and clark since it's Dan jurgens writing the post crisis pre new 52 superman

I do know

skip if you don't want spoilers

C vv



That the one shot reveals that Dr Manhattan from watchmen
Is behind the Flashpoint stuff somehow.....
Which strikes me as incredibly lame

Posted on Jun 8, 2016 6:15:28 PM PDT
Nicos says:
Okay so now I am super confused... is this the result of Convergence or the Darkseid War thingy? Other podcasts and the like have said good things about it, specifically the Flash one, but I dunno. It is hard to care about DC stuff at the moment.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2016 5:36:01 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
Cool I have wanted to see what it was all about.
I have not liked the new 52 But I did enjoy the Lois and Clark superman series (and superman rebirth )

Posted on Jun 6, 2016 4:14:25 PM PDT
After going to several shops and being told they were sold out, I finally gave up and ordered this off of Amazon:

DC Universe: Rebirth (2016) #1

Both story and art were very good.

These weren't quite as interesting:

Superman: Rebirth (2016) #1
Green Lanterns: Rebirth (2016) #1

I'll have to reread this one again to make sense out of it:
Batman: Rebirth (2016) #1

And I decided to skip the Green Arrow one.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2015 7:59:22 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
I don't rember the details but a friend of mine had a savage dragon, superman crossovers..I am pretty sure that's how it worked out....nice to know someone did it different.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2015 6:20:03 PM PDT
Nicos says:
Yeah. Granted that the heroes are choosing the lesser of two evils from a story standpoint... I think they are doing it just to fill that old trope "who would win in a fight between..."

When Erik Larsen was interviewed in Wizard magazine about a proposed Savage Dragon/Superman crossover he called the interviewer out on it when they asked him "so who is going to win between Superman and the Dragon?" And Larsen was like "Why would they fight? They wouldn't fight. Dragon is a cop and Superman is a hero. They have no reason to fight. They are both there trying to save lives!" or something along those lines. It has always stuck with me.

Posted on May 2, 2015 11:05:03 AM PDT
Week Four

[I'll clean up this post and add more to it later, but I thought I'd throw this out there now because it's FREE COMIC BOOK DAY!]

Last week was actually pre-Crisis Earth-1. This week is pre-Crisis Earth-2 (and others).

[include writers]

Convergence 4:

The main title is still kind of dull, but I think this week was the best so far for the other titles.

Pre-Crisis Earth Two titles:

Action Comics: Superman and Lois, Red Son Superman, more

Infinity Inc.: We see the lives of the children of the JSAers. Then the dome falls and they have to fight a futuristic Jonah Hex and his team.

Justice Society of America: Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Carter Hall, and Kent Nelson all aged rapidly under the dome. When the dome falls and they get their powers back, Nelson (Dr. Fate) magically de-ages them. Sounds dull, but this is actually one of the better comics.

World's Finest: Featuring the original Seven Soldiers of Victory (Green Arrow and Speedy, Star-Spangled Kid (who's also in Infinity Inc. ?) and Stripesy, Justin the Shining Knight and, uhm the other two.


Earth-X: Plastic Man and the Freedom Fighters - the dome falls, they get their powers back and they break out of a Nazi prison.

Earth-huh?: Booster Gold - I haven't been keeping up with Booster Gold, so this one was confusing. The text pages in the back just made me more confused.

Earth-4: Blue Beetle - also includes the original Charlton versions of The Question and Captain Atom (though not written in Ditko's style).

[I didn't get Crime Syndicate or Detective Comics or Shazam.]

I thought I heard at one point that DC claimed "this is a good point for new readers to hop on." Uh, no, really, it isn't. They might be able to argue "readers new to DC can enjoy these, too" for some of the titles, maybe, so long as you don't mind not being familiar with the characters, their history, their background, their motivations, their relationships, and all the other stuff that get developed over time by a long-running series. However, a lot of these titles just don't really "feel right" with respect to the characters anyway, for those of us who read the old comics.

Just think of the premise. "Heroes in City A, go kill the heroes in City B, or I will kill you and your city." Too many heroes seem to be fully prepared to cooperate - in which case, how can they be said to be heroes? True, most of the comics so far cut off before (or soon after) the two opposing sides are about to meet, so in many cases we don't know whether the two sides will actually fight.

Plus, so far we haven't seen how this whole tournament concept works, since most of the "Round One" match-ups haven't even happened yet.

Posted on Apr 24, 2015 7:17:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 24, 2015 9:24:30 AM PDT
Week Three

Convergence 3: The adventures of the Earth 2 heroes continue. A Pre-Crisis (?) Kandor refuses to fight, so Telos punishes them. Earth 2 Batman meets pre-Flashpoint Batman villians.

I read the Swamp Thing issue first, assuming that with Len Wein writing it, it ought to be good. I was so disappointed I wrote this review for Amazon:

Emily Litella: What's all this I hear about a new Swamp Thing comic? Everybody remembers Len Wein and Bernie Wrightston's Swamp Thing form the 70's. It was one of the best humor comics of the day. Now, Len is back, putting the loveable leafy giant through all sorts of humorous scrapes, making him crack jokes-
Jane Curtain: Uh, Emily, that's "horror," not "humor." Swamp Thing was one of the best horror comics of the 70's.
Emily: Oh yeah? Well, YOU read it!
[Jane starts reading it.]
Jane: But's not even funny. It's obviously trying to be, but...
Jane, Emily, and Cilantron (in unison): Never mind!
[I won't be getting issue # 2.]

Len, Len, Len. Was this your idea, or did DC make you do it?


This kind of soured my attitude for the rest of them. Most of them follow the same pattern we've seen so far: we see what the heroes are like without their powers, before the domes are removed, with their opponents they'll have to fight next issue showing up only at the very end. I guessed right - this is Pre-Crisis week. None of the ones I bought this week are "have-to-buys;" the best are merely okay.

[Didn't buy and don't plan to get: Batman and the Outsiders, Green Lantern Corps, Hawkman, Justice League of America.]

Okay issues:
Wonder Woman: Pre-crisis Diana deals with a religious cult that thinks one day, angels will save them from the dome. When the dome falls, they're attacked by vampire Joker, Catwoman, and Poison Ivy.
Flash: Pre-Crisis Barry Allen is missing Iris. The dome falls towards the end.
New Teen Titans: (The main focus is on Wonder Girl, Nightwing, and Starfire) when the dome falls, the Pre-Crisis Titans have to deal with the Tangent universe Doom Patrol.
I might buy the #2's of the above.

Not-so-good issues:
Good art can make a weak story bearable. Bad art can make a good story unreadable. The art in these two didn't help their stories.
The Adventures of Superman: Pre-Crisis Superman and Supergirl try to get outside the dome by using the Phantom Zone (uh, somehow). They physically fight the Phantom Zone criminals (uh, somehow) - no Zod, Faora, Jax-Ur, or anyone you'd recognize. And the zoners all wear what I guess are some kind of prison uniform with 2000's style family crests on their chests (continuity? What's continuity?) There's a region in the Zone where you can see your future and your past, and Supergirl sees Crisis on Infinite Earths # 7. The issue ends with Superman and Supergirl still stuck in the zone when the dome falls and Metropolis is attacked by apes from Kamandi's era, I guess.

Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes: Nobody has powers in 30th century Metropolis. Wildfire doesn't exist (so how does Swamp Thing exist?) The dome falls, and the city is invaded by people riding enormous dalmatians on the last page..

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2015 6:47:39 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2015 10:15:31 AM PDT
I'm guessing that post-Convergence, not a whole lot will actually be different. What would be cool is if the new "Earth 2: Society" title featured a planet with all the survivors of Convergence on it from all the various timelines, but I bet they don't go that route. The so-called "slutty" New 52 Starfire has been unpopular, so maybe she'll get replaced with an earlier version.

About Multiversity, I haven't read the Freedom Fighters or the Ultra issues yet, but out of the rest of them I think The Multiversity: Pax Americana (2014-) #1 is the best.

Edit: The new Starfire series will feature New 52 Starfire. I picked up the rest of Multiversity and still think Pax Americana was the best part.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 21, 2015 10:16:56 PM PDT
Nicos says:
Basically it is a big mashup of all continuities. Essentially there is a version of Brainiac that has been taking cities/worlds from all points of DC's history and collecting them and is now making them fight for some reason. From my understanding of it at least.

Posted on Apr 19, 2015 7:33:11 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
So I completely stopped doing dc stuff after I gave up on the new 52... an I have no really idea what happened with convergence.
Did they bring back titles set in the gold, silver and post crisis pre dew 52 (iron?) ages?

Posted on Apr 18, 2015 11:34:28 PM PDT
R. J. Satori says:
Thanks for the rundown on those issues, Cilantron.

I've been holding back on poking my nose into this until I can binge-read it, though I've peeked at Multiversity.

Obviously I'm glad for any glimmer of hope that most of the Wildstorm-style revamps will be moving off center-stage, with more recognizable iterations returning, especially with DC now pushing their other media incarnations full-steam. But, in addition to not being sure where they're really going with it, I have trouble trusting this company (Lee & DiDio) not to pull the rug out all over again.

Posted on Apr 18, 2015 12:00:19 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 18, 2015 12:02:21 PM PDT
Week 2

Convergence 2: The city-less Earth 2 heroes break free from Telos and find the... hm, I'm not actually sure which Gotham City this is, but it has a Bruce Wayne Batman in it.

Week 2's comics feature pre-Zero Hour characters.

I didn't buy (and don't plan on buying) Aquaman, Batman: Shadow of the Bat, Catwoman, Green Arrow, Justice League International, Suicide Squad, or Superman: The Man of Steel.
At the store, I flipped through Catwoman - the art was decent, at least. Superman: The Man of Steel is actually about Steel. The JLI looked like it was trying to be funny, but wasn't.

Superboy, Supergirl: Matrix, and Green Lantern/Parallax all take place in pre-Zero Hour Metropolis. Warning: Supergirl contains humor (it's by Giffen). I won't be getting the number 2's for these.

Kind of a bum week, this time.

I think next week will be Pre-Crisis characters.

Posted on Apr 18, 2015 11:37:19 AM PDT
Convergence issues 0 - 8
40 miniseries - 2 issues each.
Well, there's no way I'm buying all of that. My attitude is that I will be looking for reasons to not even buy the number 1 issues, and if the number 1s that I do buy aren't good enough, I won't buy the number 2.

What I've done so far:

Convergence 0: [My local store didn't have it, so I guess I'll get it elsewhere.]

Week 1

Convergence 1: The Earth 2 versions of Batman (Thomas Wayne), Dick Grayson,
the Flash, Green Lantern, and Superman (Val-Zod) are brought to the planet Telos by a giant who calls himself Telos and refers to Brainiac as "my Master." Various cities have been collected across time from different universe. While contained in the cities, the powers of the various heroes and villains have been deactivated. Telos removes the domes that have been containing the cities, and everyone's powers return. He announces that they must all now fight each other, and the remaining surviving city will be rewarded with, erm... survival.

Week 1's issues feature pre-Flashpoint versions of the characters.

[I didn't buy (and don't plan on buying) Atom, Batgirl, Batman & Robin, Harley Quinn, or Speed Force.
My local store didn't have Justice League, and I may buy it from store # 2.]

The Question # 1 (by Greg Rucka): This is the best one so far, including Week 2's comics. This is set in the Pre-Flashpoint Gotham city and features Renee Montoya as the Question, with Harvey Dent and the Huntress. Telos makes his announcement towards the end of the comic and the dome is removed. Batwoman shows up on the last page. I will be getting issue # 2.

Nightwing/Oracle # 1 (by Gail Simone): Thanagarians Katar and Shayera (I'm not sure which version) conquer the city of El Inferno. Prior to that, (before the domes were removed) people are becoming increasingly unhappy with life inside pre-Flashpoint Gotham City. There's some hints that Nightwing might be cheating on a paralyzed Oracle with Starfire. After the domes are removed, the Thanagarians make an offer to Nightwing and Oracle. I will probably be getting Issue # 2.

Superman # 1 (by Dan Jurgens): Superman, Jimmy Olsen, and a pregnant Lois all happened to be in pre-Flashpoint Gotham City for a news convention when it was taken. After the domes are removed, the heroes from Flashpoint Gotham City pay them a visit. I'll buy # 2 just because it's Superman.

Titans # 1 (by Fabian Nicieza): Features Arsenal, Donna Troy, and Starfire from pre-Flashpoint Gotham City. This wasn't that great - I won't be getting issue # 2.

Posted on Apr 17, 2015 5:26:01 PM PDT
The New 24 (Post Convergence titles)

Batman Beyond W: Dan Jurgens A: Bernard Chang
Bat-Mite (6-issue limited) W: Dan Jurgens A: Corin Howell
Bizarro (6-issue limited) W: Heath Corson A: Gustavo Duarte
Black Canary W: Brenden FletcherA: Annie Wu & Irene Koh
Constantine: The Hellblazer W: Ming Doyle A: Riley Rossmo
Cyborg W: David Walker A: Ivan Reis
Dark Universe W: James Tynion IV A: Ming Doyle
Green Lantern: Lost Army W: Cullen Bunn A: Jesus Saiz & Javi Pina
Doomed W: Scott Lobdell A: Javier Fernandez
Earth 2: Society W: Daniel Wilson A: Jorge Jimenez
Dr. Fate W: Paul Levitz A: Sonny Liew
Harley Quinn/Power Girl (6-issue limited) W: Jimmy Palmiotti & Amanda Conner A: Stephane Roux
Justice League of America W: Bryan Hitch A: Bryan Hitch
Justice League 3001 W: Keith Giffen A: Howard Porter
Martian Manhunter W: Rob Williams A: Ben Oliver
Midnighter W: Steve Orlando A: ACO
Mystic U W: Alisa Kwitney A: Stay tuned for artist info!
Omega Men W: Tom King A: Alec Morgan
Prez W: Mark Russell A: Ben Caldwell
Red Hood/Arsenal W: Scott Lobdell A: Denis Medri
Robin, Son of Batman W: Patrick Gleason A: Patrick Gleason
Section Eight (6-issue limited) W: Garth Ennis A: John McCrea
Starfire W: Jimmy Palmiotti & Amanda Conner A: Emanuela Lupacchino
We Are Robin W: Lee Bermejo A: Khary Randolph

(It looks like some of these are just retitled/renumbered, like Constantine: The Hellblazer, Earth 2: Society, Justice League 3001. I wonder if the Red Hood/Arsenal Starfire split will stick.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 8, 2015 4:31:11 PM PST
Leon Evelake says:
Funny thing is if they stat doing more and more old stories and it ends up with as much are new 52as new 52 I bet wwriters will star taking even more liberties with the characters and world. Like what eventually happened with marvels ultimate line..eventually they were just being different for the sake of it ( wolverine was cable?).
Then look how that ended.

Posted on Jan 7, 2015 8:26:55 PM PST
Here we go again:

Posted on Sep 15, 2014 6:19:19 AM PDT
R. J. Satori says:
" seems like as soon as the axe was poised the writers got really creative."

Things like that do happen.

Thanks for the recommendation. It sounds cool and I'd never have looked at it again without your post, but now I'm going to go grab that trade.

Posted on Sep 13, 2014 5:48:31 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 13, 2014 5:57:11 AM PDT
S. Kelly says:
Last year I posted a super-negative review of "Threshold", the intergalactic grab-bag title in the New 52. It was in the form of a "space Hunger Games with Green Lantern" story and was not received well by anyone. I based my opinion on the first 3 issues of the series, and it was truly horrible.
However, I picked up the TPB at the library this summer and was really surprised. It was marked for cancellation around issue 4 and only went 8 issues and it seems like as soon as the axe was poised the writers got really creative.
In the last 5 or 6 issues they managed to phase out the Hunger Games rip-off plot and add some really interesting and strange characters. It's like editorial control of the title disappeared and they were allowed to do whatever they wanted. If so, they should do that more often.
There were 2 characters that particularly caught my attention, and I don't know if they came from the pre-New 52 universe or not. Maybe someone can tell me. An outer space private detective (Star Hawkins, I think) and his dead ex-wife (not a zombie, if you can believe it). He downloaded his ex-wife's consciousness into a robot. She hates his guts but is programmed to not be able to harm him, so she is constantly trying to convince any passerby to kill her husband for her. At one point she is blown up and he spends a few issues just carrying her disembodied nagging head around with him. Really weird.
And what ends up happening with the deep cover, black ops Green Lantern Caul really surprised me. I never saw it coming and that is rare in comics.
I recommend picking it up and resisting the gag reflex for the first few issues. It's worth it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2014 10:36:41 PM PDT
Nicos says:
Yeah, I mean I have always heard it used to refer to someone as a putz or a schmuck. Despite all the Vietnam War movies I have seen I never picked up that definition of it.

The more you know!

Posted on May 16, 2014 1:44:10 AM PDT
Random Reviewer questioned my assertion about the work dink. I was not aware in meant a "double income no kids" or "someone uncool" at least according to Urban But a quick consult with wiktionary brings up 3 other definitions that Random Reviewer didn't want to contemplate:
(tennis) A soft drop shot.
(US, pejorative) A North Vietnamese soldier.
(US) Double Income No Kids - a childless couple with two jobs
(Canada, colloquial) A penis.

Posted on May 15, 2014 9:59:42 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2014 5:31:13 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 10, 2014 5:38:49 PM PDT
I first heard the word used in Apocalypse Now.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2014 2:31:35 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
Its odd that they deleted that so fast given some of the posts I have seem left alone that are outright aggressive towards other users.
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