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Initial post: Sep 5, 2012 7:26:53 PM PDT
All speculation--

Suppose Warner can garner a portion of the "Avengers" movie's success with a similar JLA film, somewhere down the road. Could a crossover between films be in the future? Would an Avengers/JLA movie be as appealing as those rare crossover comics were?

Would Warner/DC be accused of riding Marvel's coattails? I mean, besides the recent Batman trilogy, Marvel's universe has dominated Hollywood in terms of success. Whatever reboots Warner has in store for the DC characters are not guaranteed hits. If they are, the idea of merging universes would bear less social stigma.

Or, what about now? Would you be excited to see a Batman/Hulk crossover movie? A Superman/Iron Man?

Posted on Sep 5, 2012 10:26:49 PM PDT
Nicos says:
The only way I see that ever happening is with a DTV Animated feature. If they got the right people to do it (Bruce Timm, etc) I would actually look forward to seeing it.

That being said, I don't want to see a live-action film of any of the JL/Avengers crossovers etc and I don't think there is a big enough number of people that would want to see it happen. Even as creatively bankrupt as a lot of movie studios are, I just can't imagine them biting the bullet and trying to make it happen. The message that that would send (IMHO) is that Hollywood is officially out of ideas, haha.

I personally have never enjoyed any of those DC/Marvel crossover comics except for the Amalgam (?) comics where they combined both universes and gave us stuff like The Challengers of the Fantastic. I don't think any of the stories were good it was just fun seeing the crazy stuff they would combine.

Posted on Sep 6, 2012 1:33:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 6, 2012 1:35:54 PM PDT
I really can't see that in theatrical form. Maybe like a Batman/Iron Man or like Thor/Wonder Woman. heck I would take a Batman/Spider-Man crossover, but that's a BIG maybe and would prefer it be animated.

Posted on Sep 6, 2012 3:54:30 PM PDT
S. Kelly says:
It would be cool to see but I don't think it could ever happen. Getting all the stars for Avengers into the limelight was a minor miracle pulled off by Whedon, but then adding in 7 more DC characters?...they would each have like 5 minutes of screen time, no development,...nah, never happen

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 7, 2012 6:31:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 7, 2012 6:33:08 AM PDT
To expand on this, I think of this as the "everybody has to DO something" problem.

For an example, I liked the Star Trek Next Generation movies (well, more or less), but they suffer from this problem. The best was probably "First Contact" and the main focus was on Jean Luc and Data but: Riker has to do something. Worf has to do something. Deanna has to do something. Etc. It felt like they had to be artificially crowbarred into the plot. In contrast, in "The Avengers" they did manage to have everyone do something and it felt natural and flowed smoothly. (Plus, it was a 2 1/2 hour movie, so there was TIME for everyone to do something).

However, in a JLA/Avengers movie : (assuming they keep the same roster) Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Window, and (making up a likely roster) Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter would all have to do something.

On top of this, who would be the bad guy? One big one from each universe (like Galactus and Darkseid)? That might either work or look extremely tacky.

And then there's all the support characters - how many of them (from either side) could you work in?

Basically, it would be more messed up than X3 for the same reasons.

Now, it wouldn't be completely impossible if you reduced your focus to Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, but then all the others would be just there for window dressing.

I can't think of a way that would make a movie satisfying to non comic readers (i. e. most of the audience) and both Marvel and DC fans.

Posted on Sep 11, 2012 2:19:12 PM PDT
Cerberus says:
A little off topic sorry but still regarding crossovers, but for comics


Off My Mind: Why We Need More Comic Book Crossovers

By Tony 'G-Man' Guerrero

Comic book crossovers can be a touchy subject with some. There are different types of crossovers we could look at. Many characters exist in vast comic book universes. When characters cross over, it's usually because of a big threat or story. Characters that might not normally appear in the same comic are often pulled together to deal with a catastrophic problem.

There are good and bad ways for crossovers to come about. The obvious important factor is we get a great story to make the crossover work and worth our time and money. When crossovers are simply done to generate sales, the point of the actual crossover becomes lessened and you get the sense that we're being taken advantage of.

Crossovers within a comic book universe is one thing but the days of the frequent inter-company crossover are almost non-existent. If everyone can get on the same page, in planning and negotiation, we could all benefit from seeing the return of the great comic crossovers.

Looking back, the first really big comic crossovers within companies that gained a lot of attention was MARVEL SUPER HEROES SECRET WARS and CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS. The first brought together many Marvel heroes and villains. They were at the mercy of the Beyonder and were supposed to fight each other in order to win what they desired most.

The point of the 12-issue series may have been to sell action figures but we ended up with a really cool story. The story was contained in the twelve issues and surprisingly, when issue #2 came out, the characters had already returned home in their respective titles. Comic book life moved on (along with major repercussions) while the main crossover was just beginning. You weren't forced to read a bunch of other series. You could just read your favorite characters' series and SECRET WARS if you wanted.

CRISIS brought the heroes together to witness the end of the multiverse. This was where the DC Universe was changed. Characters were killed off or erased as the entire DC Universe got a reboot. Both of these had a point in bringing the heroes together. It was fun and exciting to see it all happen.

Currently we have AVENGERS VS. X-MEN. There seems to be many that are not thrilled by the story yet the series is selling well and any time we report on the book, people are interested. This isn't the first time the two teams clashed. There was a four-issue miniseries back in 1987, X-MEN VS. AVENGERS. The current crossover is on a bigger scale. Many regular series are tying into the event and we're witnessing hero fight hero.

That's the cool thing about the crossover. Seeing heroes or villains fight others they normally don't. When we had Marvel characters fight DC characters like in 1976's SUPERMAN VS. SPIDER-MAN or UNCANNY X-MEN AND THE NEW TEEN TITANS, it was a blast. How many loved seeing Green Lantern Kyle Rayner team up with the Silver Surfer? The pairing of Batman and Spider-Man was classic. MARVEL VS. DC was the big crossover that put the two universes against each other. Of course we can't forget to mention ARCHIE MEETS THE PUNISHER.

This is where crossovers shine. Even with big events like AVENGERS VS. X-MEN, it's still characters from the same world interacting with each other. There may be some new interactions but many of the characters have met, fought or teamed up before. Seeing Superman fight the Hulk is something you don't get to see often at all. And then there was even all the Amalgam characters.

For different reasons, we don't get these big crossovers anymore. Pairing a Marvel and DC Comics character seems like a no-brainer. People want to see them and they would sell, especially if there was a great writer and artist handling the crossover. The two companions could then split the profits and live happily. They just don't want to play together anymore.

At least the crossovers haven't been completely abandoned. IDW currently has Star Trek crossing over with Doctor Who. In November, Dynamite Entertainment is bringing Green Hornet and Kato, the Spider, the Shadow and Zorro together in MASKS, drawn and painted by Alex Ross. We've even had Danger Girl meet up with members of G.I. Joe.

What you'll notice is these crossovers aren't from Marvel or DC. IDW and Dynamite Entertainment know what readers want. They know mixing characters that have never met could make a great story that would be worth checking out. It might be seen as a cheap marketing ploy but there's nothing wrong with giving readers what they dream about. If readers are buying and enjoying them, it's a win-win situation.

It's unfortunate that we can't see the big crossovers anymore. We still get big comic book events within the Big Two but those aren't quite the same. Imagine if we could see Nightwing team up with Winter Soldier? How would the new Justice League interact with the Avengers? Just the idea of the New 52 and how the characters are a little different could make the crossovers interesting.

We've had them before. We may not be getting them now but perhaps if we're patient, we might see Marvel and DC characters work together once again. Having them all the time wouldn't be a good thing but if we could get the occasional really cool comic crossover, it would be something we'd love to spend our money on.

Posted on Sep 13, 2012 7:31:43 AM PDT
Information overload. lOl I get the picture. It would be really hard for them to do something like this in a theatrical sense.

Posted on Sep 14, 2012 10:41:43 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
You know I'm sure I'd go see it if it happened but I'm thinking crossovers are better suited for video games & such. I don't want the studios to "decide" who's better between Batman & Captain America for example but I'd enjoy putting them both thru a vs. fighting game like Marvel vs. Capcom to see who I can use the best in that format. I would actually love it if Capcom got the Marvel & DC licenses similtaneously to do it. Them or SNK. They're my two favorite companies for fighting games.

There's also a game called heroclix for this sort of thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2012 11:00:13 AM PDT
I could see a SNK vs DC Universe video game. That would be pretty awesome. I actually don't have much faith in Capcom with fighting games much anymore. At this point I'd much rather see SNK or Atlus doing a crossover game. I will even give Namco Bandai a shot at a crossover.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2012 11:04:52 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 14, 2012 11:07:06 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Well, I guess I haven't played a Capcom fighting game since ... hmm ... Marvel vs. Capcom 2?

I hear the new one lost the LP, MP, HP format for just a punch & kick button so that doesn't encourage me. Maybe SNK would be best. Def. not Acclaim(?) since MK vs. DC wasn't my favorite but neither is the MK series so that was no surprise really. Edit: I will say MK vs. DC LOOKED fantastic & the story mode was fun. I just don't love that fighting system which is THE most important factor in a fighting game with character selection maybe 2nd.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2012 11:30:55 AM PDT
Agreed. They need to have some more crossover video games. That would be best medium I think. Dude, Acclaim has been dead for years. lOl It's Warner Bros. now.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2012 12:03:48 PM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Well that's why I put a (?) there. I could've researched it but felt lazy. I was thinking Midway vs. Acclaim. Warner huh, makes sense they got the DC license then ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 15, 2012 8:52:04 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 18, 2012 8:06:44 AM PDT
Yep. The biggest disappointment about MK vs DC was they had to dumb down the brutality that IS Mortal Kombat. They can't have Superman or Batman getting dismembered and burned alive and such. Such a shame. Capcom needs not to release anymore Marvel properties because they don't know how to treat their games anymore. After MvC3, it was downhill from there. If you do play it get Ultimate. It's a fun game and a massive fix from the regular version. It was such a broken game.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 17, 2012 7:15:54 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Personally, that doesn't bother me. 1/2 the time I don't remember the codes to do fatalities anyway.

I never liked the MK fighting system as good as the Street Fighter & King of Fighters system. The AI on MK often tends to feel a little too cheap and other than special moves they all basically kick & punch the same. I like that Street Fighter has guys with longer punches (say Zangeif, not even Dhalsim "rediculous") and such. Makes the characters truely unique even without specials.

Posted on Sep 18, 2012 9:53:19 AM PDT
I would like a Batman/Spider-Man crossover video game. It could have some solo missions and some co-op style combat to go with it. It would be similar to what Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams did, but with Arkham City mechanics.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2012 1:00:45 PM PDT
Art Franklin says:
This will never happen unless WB buys Disney or vice versa. At that point comic fans will be the first to experience the excitement of having more crossovers in comics and depending upon how that does it may spread to other media.

My girlfriend and I are setting up to do a giant Marvel vs DC battle in the HeroClix game so it is always a fun concept.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 2, 2012 7:21:46 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Heroclix really might be the best place to do Marvel & DC crossovers not to mention having say Queen of Fables or Morgan Le Fay take them into the Lord of the Rings Universe & such now that it's expanding beyond just Marvel & DC.

The Universe of available charcters is pretty awesome at this point.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 2, 2012 10:48:34 AM PDT
Art Franklin says:
"not to mention having say Queen of Fables or Morgan Le Fay take them into the Lord of the Rings Universe & such"

That is exactly what I do with that game! I also use Angstrom Levy as a prop quite often; he's the dimension-hopper from Invincible that sends Invincible to meet both Batman and Spider-Man in the same day.

"But, your name is Batman and you dress like a bat? Don't you think that's kinda lazy? Nevermind, I just had this conversation twice today." - Invincible
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