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Initial post: Mar 7, 2012 3:22:19 PM PST
S. Kelly says:
My negative opinion of Superman was formed from seeing every movie made about him and hating them all as a kid, and then seeing the cover of one issue of Superman that featured a Superhorse, Superdog, and Supercat. (all flying with capes) Even as an 8 year old that looked stupid. (I wish I knew what issue that was, I'd buy it just as a memorial to how a single comic kept me from reading anything from DC for the next 30 years) I couldn't figure out how an invincible (except for kryptonite) all-powerful hero could ever be interesting.
Then I read "Kingdom Come" 3 months ago which is heavy on the Superman and absolutely loved it.
I'm looking for a recommendation of 1 or 2 Superman trades that are as excellent as KC so I can put this anti-supes sentiment to rest permanently. Thanks.

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 3:48:56 PM PST
Blue Jay Way says:
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO HATE SUPERMAN.

Just kidding. Time and Time Again, and Panic in the Sky are two outstanding stories from the 1990s. Also, Man of Steel from 1986 which depicts his origin. More recently, Superman: Earth One from 2010.

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 4:15:53 PM PST
These are my favorite, in no order.

Superman/Batman Vol. 1: Public Enemies
Superman/Batman Vol. 2: Supergirl
All Star Superman
Superman: Red Son
Superman: For All Seasons
Superman: Ending Battle
Superman: Last Son
Superman: Brainiac

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 5:33:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 7, 2012 5:37:30 PM PST
Seconding All Star Superman.
"Man of Steel" was pretty cool, but it's been retconned (well, yeah, with the relaunch, practically everything related to Superman is.)

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 7:41:10 PM PST
S. Kelly says:
I've been checking out the suggestions but when I look for "Man of Steel" Amazon gives me about 400 titles all with Superman Man of Steel in the title (and one Luthor Man of Steel)

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 9:23:46 PM PST
Esgaldil says:
All Star Superman is very good.

You might also enjoy alternative versions of the omnipotent Boy Scout, such as Hyperion (http://www.amazon.com/Supreme-Power-J-Michael-Straczynski/dp/078514918X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331183992&sr=8-1) and Samaritan (http://www.amazon.com/Astro-City-Life-Kurt-Busieks/dp/1401232612/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0).

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 10:00:20 PM PST
The trilogy of The Death Of Superman,World Without A Superman,and Return Of Superman.

Also Superman/Doomsday:The Aftermath and The Death Of Clark Kent.

Kingdom Come is awesome because it has the unique balance of being this epic story and at the same time,it also tells a very personal and intimate story.

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 11:23:10 PM PST
Nicos says:
DC Universe: The Stories of Alan Moore This one has three excellent Superman stories in it. The Jungle Line (? I think, can't remember the name exactly) where he meets Swamp Thing. For the Man Who has Everything and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? None of them are in continuity any more, but they are all excellent. The other non-Superman stories in the book are great too.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 6:22:28 AM PST
And it has "The Killing Joke."

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 6:23:53 AM PST
The John Byrne 6 issue miniseries.

Superman: The Man of Steel, Vol. 1

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 6:29:05 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 8, 2012 6:30:57 AM PST
I'm...less than enthusiastic of what I think of as the "Triangles of Doom" period of Superman comics. Back in those days, you couldn't just buy "Superman" "Action" "Man of Steel" or "Adventures of Superman", no, you had to buy all four magazines, and there were little triangles on the covers to tell you which order to read them in. The authors were unable to write their own stories, they all had to be writing the same story- "The weekly adventures of Superman," and in my opinion this hurt the story quality.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 10:10:44 AM PST
I'll second For The Man Who Has Everything as a story by itself because it is a powerful story,even though it was when Superman was in his ultra powerful phase.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 12:01:50 PM PST
Art Franklin says:
Hi, S. Kelly, my relationship with Supes is very similar to yours. But in our society people no longer reference the Greco-Roman myths on a daily basis and Superman is one of our modern myths. What to do?

So I started to appreciate Superman as I read the exploits of all the characters based upon that archetype. So my answer is different than everybody else's. I am now finally ready to appreciate Superman now that I have read the following recommended works:

"Gladiator" novel by Philip Wylie, "Supreme Power" TPBs by JMS, "Invincible" TPBs by Robert Kirkman, "Kill Bill 2" by Quentin Tarantino. Reading/watching works such as these you realize how much storytelling revolves around this modern myth as well as the strengths and limitations of such a character.

After seeing these different takes on the mythos, it is great to then read the real thing to appreciate how much restraint the real character carries himself with in comparison to somebody like Hyperion (a character he could decide to become at any moment).

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 5:59:45 PM PST
Leon Evelake says:
Kingdom come is my favorite superman story and what sold me why he is a good character.
Try peace on earth by paul dini and alex ross.
Allstar is a very over the top story playing on the old silver age stuff, I hated the silver age but loved allstar.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 6:35:30 PM PST
I think the great thing with Kingdom Come is that it shows the heroes sort of crossing the line and becoming the bad guys because they don't give the populace freedom of choice.

When Superman and The Justice League return in Kingdom Come #2,he(Superman)kind of sounds like the bad guy when he basically says:"The world is messed up and we're gonna fix it,whether you want us too or not." Ironically,Batman did try to warn Superman about going down that path,but of course Superman didn't want to listen.

In the end,Superman and the remaining League members show themselves to be real heroes by realizing that the mistake they made was in living above us and trying to solve all of our problems for us.The correct solution,they came to realize,was to live with us and work with us to solve our problems.

Kingdom Come treads that fine line of telling a very epic story and also a very personal/intimate story(that being the true nature of/what makes a hero).

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 8, 2012 10:01:01 PM PST
Eric Perlin says:
S. Kelly is not your real name. You are obviously LEX LUTHOR. That's why you hate Superman. Admit it, Lex!

Posted on Mar 9, 2012 2:35:14 PM PST
Kingdom Come is probably in the top 10 best graphic novels of all time. The book leaves nothing out.

Anywho, Superman for All Seasons, The Man of Steel Vol.1, Red Son, Kingdom Come, and The Death of Superman are probably your go-to choices for new Superman fans.

After you liked those, I suggest All Star Superman (not everyone can like Grant Morrison, so I consider this secondary material), Ending Battle, Brainiac, Birth Right, Secret Origins, Last Son, Superman/Batman vol.1 and 2, and maybe What Ever Happened to Man of Tomorrow? (only if you know and appreciate silver and Bronze age Superman).

And if you manage to enjoy those, then comes Godfall, Panic in the Sky, Krisis on Krimson Kryptonite, Exile, Superman vs. The Flash, All of New Krypton and Last Stand of New Krypton, Grounded Vol.1 and 2, Speeding Bullets, and Sacrifice.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 9, 2012 6:25:29 PM PST
Adam Richard says:
Superman: The Man of Steel, Vol. 1

here is a link to the first volume of the series you are looking for

Posted on Mar 9, 2012 11:53:23 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 10, 2012 12:02:24 AM PST
In my opinion Kingdom Come is one of the all-time great graphic novels, probably better than Watchmen. So you're unlikely to find a better Superman story (although Kingdom Come is not, strictly speaking, a Superman story, regardless of his rather large role in it).

In thinking about it, the closest you're likely to come is All Star Superman by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely; Superman: Secret Origin, Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes, and Superman: Brainiac by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank; and any of the Superman/Batman graphic novels by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuiness. Alan Moore's Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow? is also very good, although it's largely an homage to the Silver & Bronze Age Superman, so it may not be to everyone's taste.

Personally, I've always hated Wolverine. I've found a few exceptions to that rule however: the original Weapon X graphic novel by Barry Windsor-Smith, Old Man Logan by Mark Millar, and the Wolverine: Origins series by Daniel Way and Steve Dillon.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 10, 2012 12:46:26 PM PST
What Nicos said, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is the greatest Superman story ever.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 10, 2012 1:43:23 PM PST
Pretty much any story Alan Moore wrote for Superman is a good story.

Posted on Mar 10, 2012 5:49:18 PM PST
Leon Evelake says:
If you disliked the silver age stuff with all its super critters and the Christopher reeves movies and all that I would avoid the geoff jonns run. The artist even draws superman to look like reeves. I loved his green lantern but his superman was not to my tastes.

Now its not a comic but the WB animated series did a pretty good version of the character.

Posted on Mar 10, 2012 8:03:51 PM PST
Grant says:
I like the golden age Superman stories but I just never cared for many stories beyond that. The only Superman stories that I kind of enjoy are stories where he's involved with the Legion of Superheroes. Like that Gary Frank Supes/Legion story a couple years ago. I also like the Superman story that Steve Gerber and Gene Colan did called Superman: Phantom Zone. The only time I really enjoyed the character was when I went to see Superman The Movie. That's really the only "Superman" related thing that I really enjoy. I could watch that movie all week long. But Superman in the comic books? Eh.....boring.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012 12:56:53 AM PDT
Sean Hansen says:
I'm not a big Superman(or superhero when it comes to comics) fan either but Mark Millar's Red Son was pretty damn awesome. It's an Elseworld arc set in a "What If?" environment of "Kal-El, lands in 1920s Ukraine." A lot of guys in the biz claim that Millar is the only guy that "gets" Superman and he wrote one hell of a book in that.

Posted on Mar 12, 2012 1:30:38 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 12, 2012 1:52:50 AM PDT
Oddly enough, Millar's only other substantial work on Superman has been on the Kids' WB/DC Kids title, SUPERMAN ADVENTURES.
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