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Initial post: May 27, 2008 4:40:27 PM PDT
Some interesting views for Consciousness fans it is a newly born, every day it grows up...I hope also with your comments, thanks!

Posted on Nov 29, 2009 7:43:06 AM PST
Heidi Arvin says:
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Posted on Dec 23, 2009 11:59:01 PM PST
Hello consciousness explorers. Here is something you may find useful, life changing even. Consciousness IS. Consciousness is a nonphysical digital information system that we are all individuated parts of having this, of many, particular life experience (death is an illusion, but then so is life). Reality is nonphysical. Consciousness is fundamental, everything is derived from consciousness. If any of that rang any bells please check out Tom Campbell's books below, or the MBT Events web site. Thank you.
Bette S Baysinger
My Big TOE - The Complete Trilogy

Posted on Jan 9, 2010 10:02:19 AM PST
I have read the TOE Trilogy and browse your forum all of the time. You seem to be a delightful person working diligently here in PMR at lowering your entropy ;>). Just thought I'd share that with you. I have great admiration for tjc and that Socratic looking cat Ted whose smart as a whip. Is that really an impression of Ted on his avatar? Rick Stuart. Feel free to email anytime. I'm old, safe and am here in PMR primarily to work on Wisdom and Compassion. Up and down experience, isn't it?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2010 3:22:06 PM PST
Hi Rick,
Nice to meet you, lovely even. Thank you saying such nice things as you have about me; I appreciate it greatly. Yes it is a ride, I concur. Tom is very brave, very real, I can hardly wait for the workshops in February. Any chance you can attend either of them in California, or in May in New York? I hear it is very cool, very useful to our evolution even. Yes that is a photo shop of an actual Ted, and yes he does look very Socratic doesn't he. I also agree he is one smart fella, for sure. I can feel you are safe, if your name really is Rick Stuart. ;) Just kidding, but then you probably already know that, don't you. Age has nothing to do with anything, but again I appreciate the compassionate thought. You seem busy busy yourself lowering that Entropy. Have you seen Ted's website,

I'll send you an email, thank you Rick for saying this, and stuff. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2010 3:40:41 PM PST
Will await your email. FYI, I'm a psychologst and have been a psychotherapist for about 30 years. I try to work with my clients through my Authentic Self now that I discovered that I have one :>).When my little ego gets involved it comes to no good for anybody. Took me a long time to stumble upon that revelation although in retrospect it's obvious that I knew it all along. Probably have made every mistake and bad choice my clients make at one time or another and am down to just a few bad entropy raising habits now(sigh). Unfortunately I live in cenrtal Pennsylvania and Cal in Feb is slim to none for me. New York in May? Who knows. Feel like I'd have to reread that Trilogy Tome. Namaste, Rick

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2010 10:29:51 AM PST
Hi Rick.
That's great to know, your life work of helping others. I am still going to email you, but I realized or noticed something from your first response to me here that I did not notice before, even knowing how important it is to be aware. The MBT site and discussion is Tom's site although if it went by quantity of posts I'd win hands down right now, but I am hoping someone will overtake me there. ;) It is twc rather than tjc, it's twcjr actually as the authors screen name at his site too, just so the 'correct' data is understood.

As far as your life experience enabling you to connect with your clients, well, I think that is really wise of you to have figured out. You can't know what someone else is going through unless you know, you know? I also have a very varied, and what I would call 'rich' life experience packet going on here that I vacillate between being amazed at the number of choices I have been presented with here, and wondering what would be if I had made a few better ones once I was making my own choices (and then wondering about the age at which that occurs, making our own choices).

I think the only really entropy raising thing a person who isn't already doing child molesting, beating, raping, slave keeping, etc., could do was to manipulate the Absolute Free Will of an other for their own benefit, at the cost of the other. You have experience with Tom's model of reality in MBT so you realize unless you're doing stuff like that, or are a CEO in for-profit health care, or something, I would say you are doing okay -lowering- your Entropy in your lifetime of service to other, but I hear you. I have a couple things about me that I would like to attend to changing myself, imagine that. ;)

I have the feeling we, my twins and myself, might be soomehow able to make it to New York, we've always wanted to go there, for a minute, way too big city for this small city girl. We want to be picked up in the Cash Cab there.

I'll talk with you later Rick, until then.
Love to you and yours,

Posted on Jan 10, 2010 10:57:59 AM PST
Hi Bette,
Feel a bit creepy responding so quickly to your post. Just synchronicity I guess. I do have a rather busy life. I almost never troll Amazon sites other than when I'm buying a book. I did pick up your compassionate enrgy on the mbt site and felt an urge to contact you which is something that I never do...well almost never now. I do enjoy Tom's site and realized even as I typed my mistype of Tom's screen name that it should have been twcjr. Poor awareness on my part too. BTW, I notice that the site is down today. I probably need to join it but because I read the Trilogy several years ago, I have hesitated to do so. I am fairly versed in the Perennial Philosophy, nonmathematic quantum physics, and Eastern/Western Philosopy/History and Psychology. But those anacronyms thrown around that site require some refamiliarization for me.
I am none of the above models you mentioned regarding higher entropy....mostly self destructive stuff from the past (who hasn't). Anyway, drop me a line when the spirit moves you. I personally know no one in central Pa who is in to this stuff, although I'm sure they exist. This is the home of Penn State University but most academics sniff condescendingly at this stuff. All is Consciousness...a very old thought actually. It's the Information Theory added that's fun. Rick

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2010 12:46:18 PM PST
Hi Rick,
Yeah, creepy....:) I have a tracking notice pop into my email when someone comments so that can be your excuse too if you want one. My life has allowed me not to have to be 'out there' in the daily grind as I am my 21 year-old son with autism In Home Support Service provider, full-time since 2000 or so. It has allowed him to have me here, for us to have developed a very deep loving relationship like anyone with autism can do, and for me to pursue higher education once I overcame methamphetamine addiction in 1997. The ability to stay home with him while putting a roof over he, his twin sister's, and mine of course, heads with IHSS income also has allowed me to really take advantage of the information available online. I never got into just surfing the web, but once I earned my AS degree I found a more useful, to me, way to use this technology by becoming an online student student assistance which I did for my former mentor for 6 years. Now I have earned a BS degree, yes I am BS Baysinger BS, from Easter Oregon University distance education back in 2005, and am currently working on my thesis for my MS at Walden University, a wonderful way to utilize the WWW for me. I pretty much constantly research school work and consciousness stuff online while at the same time Being Here Now (I can stop any online 'thing' whenever needed) for my boy as it is my joy to create a loving safe reality for him, I mean my job. I couldn't have planned it any better myself if I had tried to, this job of mine, my children are my joy. I believe this program, IHSS, is on the chopping block here in CA, so there is that.

I figured you wouldn't fit any of those entropy causing 'types', and figure you probably already know that even they are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. It seems to take all kinds though, but remembering that it is just data helps. Information theory is fun, but even in it the meaning of entropy is different from the meaning of Entropy (big E) that we are all working at reducing by making loving choices; or making not so loving choices, receiving feedback (how did that work out, who got hurt? And then caring about the answers in your Higher Self), organizing that feedback with what you already know about how things work, and then making a more loving choice the next time, now that my friend is Entropy reduction ala MBT model of reality.

Yes, the site is down. Bummer....If you love something set it will be back. ;) The acronyms can be relearned at the newish FAQ forum towards the bottom of the Board Index concerning acronyms, when the site comes back up.

It is fun, all this, isn't it? It's a lot funner[sic] when you have other someone's to discuss it with. Perhaps the site is overloaded because a hoard of central Pa'ers are joining, you can always hope. We can chat about it until then though, and wherever too, emails, here, there, NPMR (non physical matter reality) where there is no body, just consciousness'. I go 'into consciousness' during sleep time, but someday I hope to get there through meditation like it is normally done and has been for ever.

Talk with you later Rick, and I thank you for contacting me as you have. You're a brave soul (that's what I tell my son). ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2010 3:27:36 AM PST
Sent one back. Will fill you in re my background. Incidently, my 27 year old son is mildly Aspergers among other things on the spectrum so thanks for sharing that part of your journey. Patrick is independent and has completed a Comp Sci major with a Spanish/math minor but is somewhat underemployed and has never has had a date to my knowledge much to his socially clueless chagrin. He is sweet, handsome guy though. Later

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2010 8:53:20 PM PST
Hi Rick,
My Arthur is also sweet and handsome, a cutie. He doesn't get to fall in love, and break-up, and fall in love again with all those emotions. That joy and that pain he is spared, it is bitter sweet for me, but I believe he is happy enough with me. He gives and receives a lot of affection which we all have need of, and I feel more than lucky that I get to keep him.

I have this idea of a Human Potential Incubator where experts in areas people wanting to become independent business owners and/or inventors need to have access to in order to succeed. I personally need a grant writer, and business plan writer for my for my business which exists as only a city business license as of yet, I'll run it in the paper this month. It is Let Our Vegetables Evolve Us (LOVE U) Gardens, and I will be putting gardens in for people, but first I need a grant to put a garden in every school for main stream and special education students to work together in as peers. The produce used in the cafeteria, with excess shared with elderly and the disabled. Then onto putting these raised bed gardens in every yard. I have had help with a design so people in wheel chairs, walkers, and even paralyzed can still garden. There is a bacterium in soil that activates our serotonin system, did you know that Rick?

People cannot be expected to become experts on all the nit-picky official things it takes to start a business or invent something from scratch. By the time one has been educated in business management, in whatever technology required to create a prototype invention, in writing very rule laden grant proposals where a simple mistakes makes the entire effort null and void, and all those issues not mentioned, the great idea is past useful implementation, or the will has been deflated by seemingly unsurpasseable challenges.

This idea then can help people succeed with some cooperation of experts in all fields who can give a little bit of their time and knowledge to others starting out, or starting over. I'd bet your son would shine in this sort of environment helping others with his special focus and talents. The main source for this human potential is from another idea, one my daughter thought of actually when she was around 17 it seems. That is we want to adopt 17 year-old kids in the foster care system so they do not age out without having a home to call their own. We will call it "17 Homes" probably, and with further education for these kid/adults per their personal interests, skills, and talents added with this Human Potential Incubator these kids can have a future, and a place to call home of their own.

People earning their own living being useful to other and society, rather than the current using other and society to make a living model.

What does your son LOVE to do, more than anything?
Love to you and yours,

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2010 8:53:30 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 11, 2010 8:54:44 PM PST
double post

Posted on Jan 13, 2010 8:40:52 AM PST
G. Sams says:
It is energy that powers consciousness, the spirit of life. Without energy we do not live or think. Without energy there is nothing that we call living left. Yet we are brought up with the assumption that it is us who gives the life to energy, and not the other way around.

Does it matter how it is that the energy of life is generated, and through which sets of tools this life energy experiences the world of matter? For long we have arrogantly assumed that humans are the only thing in the Universe able to experience consciousness, and that the whole infinite expanse was created with us in Mind. More likely by far that all is infused with Mind, including us for short moments. This is the deepest territory that this book explores, once the vital solar piece of the jigsaw puzzle is back in place. Sun of gOd: Discover the Self-Organizing Consciousness That Underlies Everything,

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 13, 2010 10:46:21 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 13, 2010 11:24:52 AM PST
Hi G.,
As I am ogling this sun of gOd book at another search-able website I run into issues on free will, choices, and whether plants have free will on page 158 that can be answered when one realized that Consciousness is the foundation, is what is fundamental, nonphysical digital consciousness as a data/information system we are experiencing because a stream of nonphysical data/consciousness is "coming into" this seemingly physical but actually virtual brain which are 'connected' to each other by the Mind. Consciousness, what we "are" is nonphysical consciousness, parts of it that are really all One nonphysical consciousness system (have I mentioned that already?).

All sentient being, that is all beings containing consciousness from the amoeba to the meat suits holding the supposedly "brightest" bits of consciousness, humans, have Absolute Free Will. What is different between containers of bits of the one consciousness is the amount of Decision Space they have. A clam doesn't have very many choices to make about what to do, and even less that could hurt another sentient being because of their actions; therefore clams also have less responsibility for the outcomes from their choices. Human's on the other nonphysical hand, have many more possible, probable decisions and choices to make everyday, all the time, every choice matters because even though I have Absolute Free Will, so do you, and my part as part of this system called Consciousness has responsibility for ALL OF MY CHOICES and how those choices affect the entire system. It also means, to me, that there is no such thing as altruism since whatever I do to you, I am really doing to myself along with doing to the entire system. We are here having these seemingly physical life experience packets in order to interact, make choice, receive feedback (something this book does talk about, feedback) which we are to organize with current knowledge about how things work, and hopefully make more positive, loving towards other, choices once we process the feedback. It is a fractal process, it takes many life times to evolve just a small bit of consciousness, and that is what we are doing here, evolving the consciousness system we are all a part of, one individuated unit of consciousness at a time. We are All One, we just forgot.

As Maxwell Smart might say, and in my opinion this author misses it by "that much", the nonphysical much (it's HUGE). It is a very cool concept though, so thank you for bringing it here. I'll think share it over at Tom Campbell's sites,, thank you again. My Big TOE - The Complete Trilogy
Bette S Baysinger

Posted on Apr 21, 2010 3:19:32 PM PDT
Joshu says:
108 Mala Beads: A Year of Haiku

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 11:51:46 PM PDT
Could consciousness be an auditory (spiritual) phenomenon as proposed by mystics throughout the ages? In the West, that phenomenon is referred to as the Audible Life Stream.

The Audible Life Stream: Ancient Secret of Dying While Living

Posted on Jan 11, 2011 4:41:54 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 13, 2011 11:28:29 PM PST
The Still, Soft Voice. New Frontier of Self. Breaking Through to the Inner Core of Consciousness,

I have researched consciousness and mind, and Essence, over
many years. The book above looks into the Inner core
of consciousness.

Posted on Feb 5, 2011 10:47:45 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 5, 2011 10:48:57 AM PST
Hi Rick & Bette, (and all others who have contributed to this discussion)

I say a special "HI" to you Bette because it was your 1st post that drew me into this discussion, & you, Rick, for keeping it open.
I hope to find time to follow up on all the interesting leads offered here.

I have a few questions. Since I am a part time New Yorker (thankfully not there for the current weather conditions) I would like to know
more about the May conference you mentioned & also what the other initials stand for?

My last Question-- The one that keeps me awake nights!!-is how to integrate a quotation read years ago
with ANY view of what consciousness MIGHT BE. It is a 2part quotation in a 'What's Happening" freebie,!!
The 1st part of the quote was on the cover. It read simply "WE SEE THINGS NOT AS THEY ARE..."
It continued on the inside page... "WE SEE THINGS AS WE ARE."

I have since wandered about searching for anyone who could reconsile this conundrum but, alas, have
found only one sort of helpful, or perhaps more mystifying, article even touching on this. It was/is?
something like How a Bat sees the world. Can anyone, anywhere HELP!!!!!!!!!!!?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 6, 2011 10:24:10 AM PST
Hi bookwoman, and thank you for being interested in what is said here. The May conference was last May in New York, and my twins and I actually did it, we flew all the way there from California, and made it back all by ourselves. It was a huge under taking for us since we like our safe little town bubble, and it was worth it. The initials MBT is My Big TOE, the name of Tom's book trilogy.


Yeah, that's a good one. It's like a mirror. Society as a whole if you look at that, that is the reflection of the Quality of Consciousness (QoC) as a whole. We each also have our own QoC which helps how we each will interpret the data we receive every moment. The data we receive is what our Reality is made of, the data AND how it is interpreted by each of us. Each of us is receiving a customized or unique stream of Consciousness data that reflects all of our experiences with everything since we were born into this life. All our experiences with anything, all concepts, what we see when we get the data, reflects the meanings we have attached, all of our life, to the thing. So when I look at the ocean and how you look at the ocean creates feelings (emotions) in us unique to each of us based on our life experiences with "ocean." Now with the bat thing, there is a "sensory modality" issue, that just means our senses, taste, touch, sight, hearing, and smell systems, in which the bat and we are each limited and/or more advanced in certain senses so in this Physical Matter Reality (PMR) using the senses we have in these seemingly physical bodies will make Reality different between human and bat, a lot more different rather than the level of different between two humans interpreting their data streams.

Does this help?
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