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Constructive Critism, and this is the end.. please..

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Posted on May 25, 2010 4:35:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 25, 2010 4:37:23 PM PDT
Daniel Payne says:
hey, how about just shushing up your pie-hole and playing some music, and let the public decide whether or not they like you? Of 100+ posts here, and you being the sole exception to the unanimous and resounding notion that you and your music suck so very terribly, I wouldn't move out of my parents' house just yet if I were you (how old are you, 40?). Just saying. You haven't charted a song and you haven't done anything noteworthy in the eyes of the general public, but of course that's way too high of a standard for you. I don't know one person who has bought or would even consider buying a record of yours.

Oh yea, and you wanted to know why you suck and I'll tell you exactly why you suck. You project falseness, pretense, and you are a counterfeit. Not being mean, this is just the business of telling the truth. Everybody sees right through it and that's why nobody's buying your records and you can't chart a song. You have no composure. The veiled confidence you express on this forum and, doubtlessly, countless others, is a savage betrayal of the true lack of self-confidence that shines through in your music. Your music lacks even the most primitive stir of truth and realness to it. You don't project coolness either. All you project is selfishness and ugliness, and people aren't buying that, they never have and never will. I have a lot of friends who are successful in music, who can adhere to and appreciate the standards by which the community defines success and talent. If you were successful enough to satisfy whatever success means to you in your warped mind then you wouldn't be on a computer harassing the public because it thinks your music blows. Instead you've made a big stink in public where 10,000 people are going to now be passionately dissuaded against you, whereas if you had the slightest stirrings of intelligence or imagination in that head of yours you would have done something to make those 10,000 people want to support you. That my friend is social darwinism. Looks like your chances for reproduction are about as miniscule as your record sales, and you only have one person to blame. You are living in a very small world and I feel sorry for you.

You see, art (music) serves a purpose to the community. It strengthens common bonds among us and helps us to understand who we are. It is as plain to me as it is to everybody else out there that you don't want to serve the community- you only want to serve yourself. So to call yourself an artist is even more absurd than to call yourself a singer, even more absurd than to call yourself a songwriter. My granny can write a better chorus than you, and she's deaf AND blind. AND mute.
You can call yourself an entertainer, though- as far as the limits of this forum are concerned anyway. I'll give ya that.

The community is very aware and can't be fooled. The community has been listening to good music for a LONG time and has rewarded the creators of that good music with praise and prosperity. If you had that or it was even within your reach in this lifetime then you wouldn't be reaching for it on an internet forum, let alone be reaching for it in the most foul and outlandish lack of common tact, dignity, and self-respect I do believe I have seen in my life. You sir, disgust my good sense of common decency.

I accept your gratitude in advance for giving you exactly what you came here asking for. I welcome anyone who feels the urge to protest, but not you, Ernest. No, you are not fit for adult conversation. Would have been happy to give you some tips that would certainly help you improve, but your perfunctory lack of tact and professionalism has directed me otherwise. Nothing to get upset over- it's not like you would have listened anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 4:37:24 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 25, 2010 4:38:22 PM PDT
40??? No, Im much younger than that. Please. And its just 5 people on a message board saying this. I do have some talent. I wish people wouldnt be so rude about it.

Posted on May 25, 2010 4:40:46 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 4:41:38 PM PDT
I get paid for what I do. I am a professional. I was featured in my home town paper.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 4:54:16 PM PDT
David says:
Meade: I get paid for what I do

So do I but I don't go around asking everyone and their brother if I did it good or not and not caring what their answer was because I was so certain of how good I was.

Meade: I am a professional

Professional pain the backside. Don't belive it Meade? Ask anyone on the forum...Go ahead..I'll wait!

Meade: I was featured in my home town paper.

That's funny. A homeless guy picking up trash on the side of the road was featured in mine. So what?

Get back on your meds and all this will seem like a dream....a bad one for us but a dream nevertheless.

Posted on May 25, 2010 4:55:18 PM PDT
I put my HEART AND SOUL into my music. I love music and Im not a fake. I dont see how anyone could say I wasnt real. Every song I write is about something that happened in my personal life. When I sing, its from my soul. I love singing and I love music . I dont wanna be famous. I just want folks to like me and my music.
Also, I dont see how anyone could mistake me for a 40 year old. Im very young, and most people think Im in my late teens/early 20s. I was blessed with a beautiful complexion and high cheek bones. I dont claim to be better than anyone else. Please give me another chance.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 5:04:56 PM PDT
Daniel Payne says:
out of compassion deep in my heart I am going to *attempt* to try to talk to you. There is a world of difference between having a music career and playing for personal enjoyment. Maybe you should consider that. How much money do you make a year playing music? How many records to you sell a year? How many shows do you play a year? How many radio stations, satellite stations, internet stations play your music? How many fans do you have? What I'm trying to ask you is, what do you do for a day job? Start being honest with yourself. And quit asking for feedback and then telling those who provide it honestly that you don't care what they think. That's childish and very annoying. It's also annoying when you refer to yourself as a professional when you are anything but. Your actions land you in the capacity of a child. Grow up and act like a man and quit disgracing the home state of the great General Robert E. Lee. Your behavior is very alarming, you either need to grow up or seek professional help, ok? Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 5:11:23 PM PDT
Let me explain. All I asked was "what do y'all think of Meade Skelton"? People went out of their way to be rude. They made rude comments over and over . Attacked not only my singing and music- but my personal appearance! Im still a fairly young guy, and I have lost over 85 lbs with the help of my Lord and Savior

As for career- I dont like mainstream music and I play for Alt- Country audiences. Many Non-Country fans love my voice and music. Many Country fans do not. Do you see an irony in this? I do probably what is closer to real country music. I sell records online and at shows and I get asked to play many places all over Virginia. I do both paying gigs and benefit shows. My name in Richmond is very well known, but not so much outside. I dont mind that. I just love performing! I write songs from my heart and soul. I have heard so much of what Nashville thinks is "good music"- to me most of it is not to my ears.

So I think its a matter of style that people dont like. I do have a modest amount of talent- good enough to make a living, and I dont want a major label or anything.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 5:27:23 PM PDT
Daniel Payne says:
well if it's good enough for you by golly then who cares what anyone else thinks?
let me get this straight:

1. You have fans.
2. You sell records.
3. You make a living playing music.

you casually dismiss these items and give slight nods towards them, but, for instance, saying that you are good enough to make a living playing music does not mean that you are making a living playing music. My instincts tell me you don't have a clue how much work that is. I think you might be in way over your head.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 5:34:05 PM PDT
David says:
Meade...I have many friends and relatives in Richmond that are into the music scene there. I'll get in touch with them and see if they have heard of you.

Posted on May 25, 2010 5:39:49 PM PDT
Daniel Payne says:
nobody with a brain thinks nashville is making good music. anybody with basic sense knows that the media tells the public what they're supposed to listen to and it's all garbage. It's a business- we all get that. If millions of people are complacent (if not complicit) enough to listen to that noise, then I say it is their right in this country to have horrible taste in music and be completely unfulfilled spiritually as they pass through this world. The sad thing is that Texas (my state) is starting to resemble Nashville. Anyway, a lot of people know this about trashville's sins and there is plenty of good music to be found if one knows where to look. As I said before, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Being an independent musician is a business endeavor and it's not Nashville's fault if you fail. It's yours; there is plenty of success to be had for those who are willing to work for it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 6:49:15 PM PDT
Not everyone has heard of me in Richmond. I have a cult following there. Also in places like the little grill in harrisonburg, va. I never said I was a great musician. But I dont sing off key. I have taken voice lessons. I was told I had perfect pitch. I could guess what key was playing without a piano. I know what off key singing is. You dont like my voice, I can accept that. I wont accept off pitch singing when there is none. End of story.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2010 6:51:28 PM PDT
The Lord will guide me. He gave me a musical gift and He wants me to use it. I don't depend on the world for that. As of now, I am able to support myself and I work temp jobs. As I said- I have played the bluebird cafe in Nashville- was picked just 20 out of 300 people to play there for songwriters night. I cant be THAT bad. Sheesh. Lord have mercy. Im not a Merle Haggard, I know that. But everyone here says I cant sing, play, or write. It just isnt so. They hate me and I dont know why. Probably because I questioned their love for James Dupre. I have nothing against him personally.

Posted on May 25, 2010 10:09:14 PM PDT
Greg says:
Just let it go - we've all given our opinions, and you don't want to let it drop until you hear what you want to hear. I'm sure you'll find your niche, but it probably won't be with the hardcore country fans on this site. I'm not going to critique the quality of your voice, you either appeal to people or you don't. I acknowledge your value as an artist, but it's not my thing. Do the Christian circuit until you build a following. Play churches for free, eat Lutheran casseroles, stay for free at parishioners houses. Travel and sell CDs. Try to get on at Cornerstone and other major Christian music festivals.

I wish you the best in making a living making music.

Posted on Mar 5, 2012 12:00:09 PM PST
Tom, no H says:
Is it wrong to bump this thread?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012 11:33:00 AM PDT
dallas says:
Mc Chese

Not at all.

Posted on May 28, 2012 3:05:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 28, 2012 3:08:16 PM PDT
Why don't you just create yet another persona and post what it is you want someone to say and be done with it. You clearly don't want to hear what people really think.

You say you play alternative country. I don't hear that at all. I hear an attempt at pop music. When you are playing in a church, it's probably christian pop, when you playing other venues, you probably slide into other realms but basically you're playing pop. I love music and have been known to buy a cd because of a single line I've heard in a song, for instance in a commercial or background in a tv show or movie. Most of the time I'm right and it turns out to be a great find. Others, well there are those who don't live up to that one line. Not only the song as a whole but every line you write should be able to grab a listener's attention and make them want more. You know, that line of a song you can't get out of your head and sing to yourself over and over. I watched all your youtube videos and I have to say, I didn't hear one single line that would push me to purchase any cd you made.

I'm curious, who do you think of when you compare your voice to other artists? I'm not asking who influenced you but every singer has someone in mind that they'd like to be associated with. For instance, I hear a lot of Bonnie Raitt when I listen to Adele and her writing style makes me think of P!nk. That's a very wide range of styles there in that one sentence. So who do you hear when you listen to your songs and who's writing do your songs remind you of?

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 6:07:40 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2012 6:14:40 AM PDT
Its not Pop music at all. Its Country Music. Its more Country than anything being played on Country radio today. Im sorry my music doesnt please you. I suppose you're the greatest singer and songwriter to ever live, so after all, the great music you make is wonderful. How many songs have you writtten? I would love to hear your music some time. I never compare my voice to other artists. Lots of folks like my music. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean its not good. Whats wrong with it? Maybe its because you just dont have good taste in music. Thanks, though, for your feedback. I would like to hear any songs you have written and your singing and I will see if I buy your records. I dont sell CDs, I sell records. BTW, people compare me to many different singers. The ones I get the most are John Denver, Roy Orbison, Elton John, etc. I even get strange comparisons such as "male Laura Branigan", etc. I dont think I sound like any of them, nor do I want to. I think that I am fairly original , not entirely, but something different. When I listen to my songs, I hear myself. Thats all. I don't just make music to be famous. I make it because I enjoy doing it. What do you enjoy doing?

Posted on May 31, 2012 6:20:20 AM PDT
I never said I was a great musician. I love singin' for folks. Why can't y'all just buy one of my records? I work very hard and I don't get why people treat me this way. I am very much authentic. I really wish folks would be nicer . I can't believe people like Scotty McCreedy get to be famous, when they dont even write their own songs.

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 10:24:56 PM PDT
I will expend energy on you one more time then you are on your own again. No matter what anyone says, we aren't saying what you want to hear so there's no reason to further the discussion. We've tried to give you feedback and you're whining because you don't like it. But I will give it one more try.

I never once said that I write, sing or record. I play and sing for my own enjoyment, not for the benefit of others. And yes I write but again, I write for me, no one else. I have many friends that do write and sing and record but I don't. I just like music from about every genre. You say you play country. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Country music is what the Louvin Brothers, Mother Maybelle Carter, Hank Williams, Bill Monroe, Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys, George Jones, Uncle Dave Macon, Roy Acuff, Kitty Wells, Patsy Cline to name a few, played/sang/recorded. That was country. They didn't all write their own material either. It's not a requirement of a singer. What's sold as Country today is a casserole of country, pop, rock, and the marketing of a sound as a brand.

I have MY taste in music. I think it's excellent, others won't agree. Doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother you. I never said your music wasn't good. I said that I didn't hear anything that would make me want to purchase it.

I would agree with the John Denver comparison. That's a pretty good correlation. Roy Orbison, don't hear that at all and definitely not Elton John unless it's sometime during the Benny and the Jets/Yellow Brick Road period. I could hear that. You don't have enough vibratto in your voice to be a male Laura Branigan. Just my opinion.

Bottom line, if you love making music then make music and let it be the best you can make it. If you love what you do then it's worth doing well. The one thing to remember is that old saw "you can please part of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time". Not everyone that comes to hear you play will stay for the whole show. Not everyone who comes to hear you play will like what they hear. Some will buy your albums, others won't. You can't take it personally. It's their money, their likes and dislikes, and their choice. Acclaim and criticism are to be held close. They are both tools that can help you learn what you are doing well and what you need to work on. You can't expect 100% acceptance all the time. If that was the case, there'd be nothing left in life for you to learn. Frame the good reviews as well as the bad. At least they were listening even if they did leave a bad review. Perhaps in the future that person will hear you again and say "you know, I was wrong" and write a good review.

Now pick yourself up by your bootstraps and go out there and kick ass. Be the best you can be and be happy with what you do.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2012 9:55:01 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 1, 2012 9:56:27 AM PDT
If you go listen to my new Album "Meade Music" , you can clearly hear its really Country music. Of course its not like The Carter Family and Patsy Cline. This is 2012. Country music changes. Just because its not Old Timey sounding does not mean its not Country music. Its still Country- and it sounds more Country than anything today on Country radio. I am a true Country artist. I dont sound like John Denver, I said that sometimes I was compared to him songwriting wise, not vocally. Along with Elton John, Roy Orbison, and others. That is not something I desire. I wish to sound like myself and not a carbon copy of someone else.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 9:50:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2012 9:51:34 PM PDT
Hinch says:

I didnt know until now you are a recording artist. I just listened to the samples of your album.

It's not exactly my "cup of tea" as far as the country music I like to listen to, but it certainly sounds like country music to me, and Ive been listening to country music all my life(61 yrs). Also, you have a very good voice. I do honestly have to say, I dont hear an alternative country sound in your music.

Im not really sure why some would say it isnt country music. Maybe because you dont have a deep southern accent.

Marty Robbins and Billy Walker to name 2 that come to mind, didnt have much of an accent when they sang. Patsy Cline and especially Jim Reeves didnt have country accents. Ray Price is another. I dont think anyone would say they were not country singers.

I say keep on doing what you're doing if it makes you happy and you like it. You're the one who has to look at yourself everyday in the mirror. Do what you feel is right for you. Good luck!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 8:32:42 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 11, 2012 8:37:28 PM PDT
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it. I think people might say its not "Country" because its more piano based and not as much guitar. The "Alternative Country" aspect, is mainly to mean that I'm not a Nashville recording artist, and the music doesn't really fit the pattern for Contemporary Country as we know it aka Jason Aldean, Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, etc . As for what makes the singing Country- I agree accents don't really make it "Country", as you can be from Canada and sound very Country without sounding "southern". I am from Virginia, so I have a Southern accent pretty strong, but its more of drawl than what people associate with Country music as "twang". Patsy Cline also had a Southern accent, and you can hear it in her singing voice (as you can mine). But I guess its not a twang, its a Southern drawl , like Elvis. When I hear Yankees sing, I can tell because they seem to clip certain words or glide less on certain vowels, lol. I know not everyone will like it, but I do try to make good music that people can relate to.
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