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Initial post: Jan 28, 2012 4:43:01 PM PST
Bones says:
Since the last discussion was closed I believe this topic deserves more comment.

By way of synopsis I think there is good data showing that pit bulls have been bred to fight and are more likely to bite humans as well. I feel like this is the breeders' fault and that the Pit Owners and Breeders should breed this trait out of the dog.

What do you think ?

Posted on Jan 28, 2012 10:39:18 PM PST
MK Hill says:
Who cares what you think? Your synopsis is erroneous as well. Small dogs such as Chihuahuas and various toy breeds are more apt to bite. I know Chi's are vicious little critters from spending nearly every day with one.
My late AmStaff was known all around my neighborhood and was very well socialized. If neighbors ever invited me in while I was out with him they would ask him in as well. He always ran to the kitchen to smell around and smell what might be on the floor but then would lay next to the chair I might be sitting in. He liked to chew on my fingers while I talked. When socialized they are the best dogs around humans. I have no doubts about it.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 8:49:34 AM PST
Jani Hamby says:
First of all, those who are breeding dogs to fight, are nothing more then backyard breeders. All they care about is the dollar value they bring in, not the dogs themselves. They breed unstable, neglected and often mistreated dogs. They don't care about their background. They don't care about health issues. The dogs who won't fight become bait dogs. And that's AFTER they have been starved and tortured in their so called "training" to fight. Get rid of the backyard breeding and get rid of the dog fighting. Make it unprofitable for the breeder. Help legislate stiffer laws for those who abuse and torture animals. Stiffer punishments for those convicted of fighting dogs, or any animal.

There are those who are breeding for the betterment of the breed. AKC, although they don't recognize them for registration, they do welcome APBT's in the conformation ring. There are breeders that send their dogs in for service training, whether it's police work, search and rescue, military, therapy dogs or disibilites. Do you honestly think they are "breeding" their dogs to fight?

Bones, you have become nothing more than an armchair antagonist. Your rants from the other discussion make very little sense. More than once you have said we could breed this so called "genetic trait" out of the breed, but we refuse to do so..... What are we supposed to do? Take our rescued dogs, who happen to be loving companions and breed them? Wouldn't that make us no better than the backyard breeders who keep spitting out puppies, that more than likely will either end up in a shelter or a fighting pit? Do you even understand about genetics and how they work? What about a pitbull's "trait" to not bite or attack it's handler? A handler had to have the ability to remove the dog from a fighting ring without getting bit or attacked. Any dog that did was destroyed. Couldn't you assume then, even those breeders, were breeding to prevent human aggression?

My point is, genetics is a small portion of what makes a dog. Genetics might play a larger portion in conformation and color and health. But as far as temperament or aggression issues, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 11:17:40 AM PST
Bones says:
Jani,

I said they have been bred to fight. Look at the type of dog Vick fought. I don't see a golden retriever amongst the rescued dogs.

With respect to the Chihuahuas they may bite but they are not going to do serious harm to anything but an infant. All you have to do is kick it and the problem is solved. Can't do that with a pit (generally). There is one youtube video where a cop kicked a charging pit and dissuaded it from further attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVfAKTp864

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 11:20:19 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 29, 2012 11:26:28 AM PST
Bones says:
A Rotti attacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUyMFPJRnU

PIT Bull Attacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbES1Jujeb4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKsq2BEf14o&feature=related

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 11:37:45 AM PST
Jani Hamby says:
And because you say it's so, that means it's truth? Vick was another backyard breeder. Can you tell me, you honestly think, he put any money into those dogs? To get them vet checked? To get health certificates stating there were no genetic flaws such has hip dysplaysia, heart defects, skin problems, etc.? Michael Vick had the means to do all of that, but the proof that he did not comes in the form of those dogs he forced into the fighting ring. The blood disease most of them ended up with. A disease that's not brought on by genetics, but rather through contact with other dogs that have been infected. He didn't care what he did to those dogs, anymore than he cared about spreading a disease. All he cared about was the money he could make off of them. As do all backyard breeders.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 2:02:55 PM PST
Wow, this discussion was started back up pretty quickly.

ok, let's keep going....

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 3:49:12 PM PST
Jani Hamby says:
Girlee...

Frankly, I couldn't help myself. I know Bones is pretty much a lost cause. But, I just can't let him get by with perpetuating myths and non-truths. Feeding into the hysteria already surrounding pitbulls.

I know there are people out there that CAN think for themselves, and willing to learn fact vs. fiction.

I can relate fact as fast as he can spit out fiction.

We can start with this video I found on youtube....
I caution you, the language in the music accompanying the video has the F-bomb in it, but the video itself is truth in it's purest form. Also some of the pictures, if you have a weak stomach I wouldn't watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJueekvhRDI

This video says what all of us who love and protect pitbulls have been saying all along....

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 4:43:37 PM PST
Bones says:
Pit Bull Attacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr9nkvqLgKs&feature=related

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 7:54:05 PM PST
Jani Hamby says:
And this is to clarify the youtube you posted, Bones. The woman who owned the dog had previously sent her dog to attack her landlord and his daughter, when he went over there to collect her rent. That was why the dog catcher was there in the first place.

That woman could have had any type of dog. The fact is she is a lunatic. SHE put her dog through all of that. Again it only proves my point that HUMANS are the cause of pitbull attacks and aggression. He could have been my dog, or any of the other posters from the original pitbull discussion. Those of us that have pitbulls and foster them. That dog would not have turned out that way.

Even after it was all over, did she think about what she had done to any of those people or her dog? No. All she could think of was herself. Her remorse was all about her being arrested. Not the fact that she MADE her dog attack 3 people. There were 4 victims in her lunacy. Her landlord and his daughter, the dog catcher and the dog. And it was the dog that paid the ultimate price. Along with 3 people who will be emotionally traumatized, for a very long time.

Thank you, Bones, I know you didn't mean to, but I do appreciate the assistance.

I wonder.... as evil as this woman turned out to be, that she hadn't been in jail before? I mean seriously, a pitbull owner that hasn't been to jail or prison? Ridiculous, right? (and in case any of you missed it..... that was sarcasm)

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 8:13:38 PM PST
Jani Hamby says:
Here's another video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBNC-qtmvfw

The REAL truth.... hidden behind media fiction.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 8:28:19 PM PST
Jani Hamby says:
This video was posted by the HSUS. The Humane Society...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CcM8wcspmM&feature=related

Bones, this is what you should be fighting against, the cruelty against these dogs. Instead if villifying them. Instead of condemning the dog, condemn the cruelty....

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 8:57:16 PM PST
Jani Hamby says:
Good Luck R. Poole!! I hope that law gets repealed!!

I'll be sure to send that link to friends that live there.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 30, 2012 12:31:16 AM PST
Bones says:
Actually I felt bad for the dog in the video. I also was very moved by the poor starving and mistreated Vick Pits.

I'm just saying that Pits need a special home with special people to love and train them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 30, 2012 7:47:51 AM PST
Jani Hamby says:
That is what most pittie people want, Bones. And that's what they do have in my home. And in many homes across the country. You posted to several of them in the original discussion. We all agree pitbulls aren't for everyone. Dogs in general are not for everyone.

A home with love and proper care and training is all a pitbull or any breed of dog wants, too. I know I'm humanizing pitbulls here, but do you really think they grow up wanting the abuse and torture so many are forced to suffer through? The starvation and beatings? Females being made to produce litter after litter of puppies and then used as bait dogs when they can't produce anymore? It's a horrible life. There are only 2 ways out of that suffering. The relief I'm sure so many have felt taking their last breath, not having to endure anymore of the torture. And those who are lucky enough to be found and rescued. The pitbulls who have survived to see that day, finally get a chance at a real dog's life. Some of them probably never had a kind word spoken to them, or petted, or cuddled and hugged. But they still knew it meant love. That they didn't have to be afraid anymore, that they could trust again. And they responded to it, with wagging tails, pitbulls kisses and leaning in close to get more love. Even the ones like Stallone, who didn't make it, after he was rescued. They knew love and responded to it, during the short time they had left.

Pitbulls are not the only dogs that feel this cruelty, all breeds do. But I do see pitbulls as the poster child of animal cruelty.

Whether you hate them or love them, the cruelty has to be stopped.

I think about your goldens, Bones. And think about what that lunatic in the video you posted, could have done to them.....

Posted on Jan 31, 2012 12:29:29 AM PST
MK Hill says:
Dude,
The fact a Chihuahua may or may not maim or kill is of no relevance. The fact remains they and other little dogs are more apt to snap at a human than will any pibble. Isn't that your main beef? Pit bulls were bred to kill humans and they should be banned forever?
The Chihuahua shot your theory down.
No one cares what you think anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 31, 2012 1:16:44 AM PST
Bones says:
Pits have powerful jaws that inflict serious harm. Also they are very tenacious animals.

DUDE. Those are important points. Apples and bananas!

Btw I don't want them banned. I want proper breeding and responsible owners.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 31, 2012 7:24:58 AM PST
Jani Hamby says:
Then help city, county and state officials in your area, to get rid of backyard breeders and dogfighting. Help stamp out animal cruelty, by fighting for stiffer punishments. THAT'S how it works... and you won't only be helping pitbulls, you would be helping ALL breeds of dogs. And cats, horses, birds, etc....

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 31, 2012 8:00:06 AM PST
Jani Hamby says:
MK,

I agree with you. Smaller breed dogs do tend to bite and snap more. Again due to human fault. Another victim of backyard breeding, along with what I call the "baby syndrome". Overindulged, spoiled and no training whatsoever. If you want unpredictable behaviour, look at an owner who thinks a growling chi acceptable. Or a pom that goes after someone's feet, walking through a room. Or a tangled mess of yorkies, barking and lunging at the end of their leashes. Trying to get to my 2 dogs, who only gave them a backward glance. Way to many people think it's cute, not realizing even they can do a lot of harm. And yes, even kill and maim. Maybe not through a direct bite, but through any infection that might follow. The biggest disservice to any dog is not to properly train them in what is acceptable behaviour and what is not, whatever the breed, whatever the size. It stops being "cute" when a 6lb pomeranian kills an infant. Or when a woman loses her life from blood poisoning after a bite from a chi. Or an 8 yr old boy loses an eye after being bit by a jack russel.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 31, 2012 2:16:38 PM PST
I agree, Jani.

Nobody will change his mind about anything.
but there is no reason to let falsities dangle out there unchallenged.

part one of this discussion is responsible for being the factor in changing at least one person's mind for the better. And I can only hope that it at least planted a seed in other's minds.

I am not asking for everyone to like pit bulls. For everything on this earth, there is some reason for someone out there to not like it. and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I can only hope that the dislike for the breed is for real reasons, not because the media told them so.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 31, 2012 2:18:46 PM PST
Great post, Jani!!

If an owner makes their dog attack, it is the dog's fault.
If a parent makes their kid steal, it is the parent's fault.

Logic?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 31, 2012 2:21:14 PM PST
Ug. I still HATE those "funny videos" where the little dog is growling and showing it's teeth to the camera. And everyone laughs!!
If that was a pit bull, people would be ourtraged and call for the dog to be put to sleep!!!

Why is it funny when little dogs do that?????

Posted on Jan 31, 2012 2:22:40 PM PST
It is NOT funny. So stupid that people allow this to go on. It makes you wonder doesnt it??

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 1, 2012 10:09:42 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 1, 2012 10:11:29 AM PST
PenDragon says:
not. my pit and cat. there buddy's. before buck had to go to sleep from a bad illness.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/pendragon1950/my%20pits/DSC00817.jpg
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