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Any Mini Walrus breeders here in Ohio?

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Initial post: Dec 20, 2010 3:11:38 PM PST
Justin C. says:
My sister is looking for a Char pei / Basset Hound mix, known as a "mini walrus". She is looking for a black or brown puppy and must be female. She found one but they want $799 for it. She is a single mom though and would love to get this for her daughter. ( Of course my sister will be the one taking care of it since her daughter is 8). Would love to hear from someone if they have one for sale or knows someone and of coarse the price was reasonable. Thanks a lot and have a great holiday!

Posted on Dec 21, 2010 1:59:40 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 22, 2010 8:26:52 AM PST
LAURA28 says:
No I do not....glad I dont either. A shame to see some one looking for a breeder when there are so many wonderful homeless dire need of a loving home.ADOPT!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2010 2:13:18 PM PST
Justin C. says:
So you don't know? Thanks....

Posted on Dec 21, 2010 3:18:19 PM PST
A shame to see people offering unwanted opinions when someone is asking a simple question. Adoption is a great choice, another great choice is knowing exactly what you want in a dog and seeking one that will fit in with your lifestyle. If you select an animal carefully, the chance that it will end up in a shelter (because it isn't 'working out') will be much smaller. Good luck Justin. If you find a pup please post a pic. I could only find one picture online and he was super cute, I'd love to see a puppy!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2010 3:28:43 PM PST
Justin C. says:
Thank you Diana. You especially need a "type" of dog when you have a small home, small child and small yard. Adopting is great, but you need to be in the right circumstances first. She shouldn't be adopting since the dog would have the possibility of growing rather large and may not be great with children. I will definitely post a pic. if one is found. The mix of bassett lets the dog grow out of some of the wrinkles that are associated with the Char Pei, and they don't grow to be as large either. Very cute! Have a great holiday everyone!

Posted on Dec 21, 2010 3:28:45 PM PST
Gone2lunch says:
Diana, I work in a shelter and see lots of pets surrendered because the owner liked the look but didn't bother researching the personality of the breed. For example, more Siamese owners than you would expect think the cats look great but aren't prepared for their continual meowing. That's not to say that everyone should adopt or that breeding is bad, but that people should get to know the individual animal before adopting. For the same reason, sometimes it's more appropriate to get a young or even an older adult animal, no matter how cute puppies and kittens may be.

My view is a bit jaundiced because my daughter has purchased 3 pets from a national pet store chain that also sells animals. Two of them had serious illnesses. Bottom line: adopting an animal is a bit like dating [insert hearthrob actor of choice]. It doesn't matter how attractive they are if they can't be housetrained ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2010 3:35:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2010 3:36:41 PM PST
Just so you are aware, my friend has a "Mini Walrus" and it weighs about 60 lbs. It is by no stretch a small dog. I am not sure where the Mini part comes in because a Bassett normally weighs approximately 50 lbs full grown as does a Shar Pei. So you might want to rethink if you are looking for a smaller dog.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2010 5:07:18 PM PST
Justin C. says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2010 7:24:05 AM PST
MsCynic says:
Good luck in your search. It appears they are pretty few and far between (I had never heard of them). Decent breeders hate intentional 'mixing' of breeds like this, so often not the best quality of parents going into these mixes. Please be aware that Shar Pei are not generally considered great 'children' dogs, and since you're purchasing a mutt, you won't have a lot of generations to look back on temperament or health wise. Both of these breeds have serious health issues -shar pei horrid skin/ear/epilepsy issues besides temperament concerns I mentioned, and the 60lb Basset (not sure why you indicated this would be 'small' dog) often have joint/back problems, so be careful. I always figure any dog that looks like a cartoon image of a dog is going to have problems, I can't imagine what happens when you breed them together.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2010 7:41:53 AM PST
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Justin C. says:
Thanks. We do know some people with Mini Walrus' and love the way they are. They actually have had them for about 10 years. Temperament is great. My parents have Bassett's and while they are fairly big, they are small compared to the St. Bernard she had. Also both breeds seem to be great around my niece. Only question mark really is the health. Not really enough info to know if the mixing help or hurts the breed. The mix does help with the Char Pei ear/skin/eyes problem. Thanks for the info and have a great holiday!

Posted on Dec 22, 2010 11:15:54 AM PST
Amanda Peck says:
It kind of sounds to me as if a Mini-Walrus may not be, strictly speaking a BREED, but a hybrid or cross. In other words if you were to breed a pair of them, their offspring would not necessarily look like the parents, or have other desirable characteristics. You need to have pure-bred parents each time. There's an article about this in a recent--maybe the latest--BARK magazine, although it is written about wolf-dogs.

My parents had some friends who thought that what they called Baggles (there are other names for them beagle-basset crosses) made the best dogs in the whole world, with the easy-going temperment of the basset, the (somewhat, at least today) fewer health problems of the beagle. Theirs, and others I've met over the years, seem to be great dogs.

Seems like one should look a little farther into Shar-Pei temperment (as well as potential health problems). Bassett hounds too--especially the health--back and joint, as I recall--issues.

Posted on Dec 22, 2010 9:12:48 PM PST
Just a heads up on the mixing of a breed. I know the Shar pei are knows to have tempers if not properly trained and exercised. And with an 8 year old, most likely still into hugging and being wild around animals, this may not be the best fit. My favorite web page for finding the best dog based on children, living (apt, house, etc), and amount you want to put into grooming and such. Have your sister take the quiz and maybe she may find a dog that is a really good fit for the family, based more then on the "cuteness" of the breed. I would suggest a Pembroke Welsh Corgi if you she does not mind having a mixed breed. They are great with kids and are small enough for apartment living.

Posted on Dec 29, 2010 8:48:34 AM PST
Lisa says:
$799.00 dollars for a mutt?

Posted on Dec 29, 2010 11:33:34 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 29, 2010 6:38:33 PM PST
Shar-peis and bassett hounds have so many medical issues that can end up costing thousands of dollars in the end. I agree with Ms. Cynic wholeheartedly that you do not know what kind of parents are going into these mixes. The statement that mixed breeds have "hybrid vigor" is a myth. The more potential each breed has for problems, the more problems they are likely to have (in general, as each dog IS an individual). If she is already financially strapped, I do not recommend these dogs, and don't encourage indiscriminate breeding! Those who breed these "designer" (I hate that term..) dogs are doing it for the money- hence trying to charge $800 for a dog when literally thousands are being euthanized daily in shelters across the U.S. (Oprah did an excellent show on puppy mills a few years back, google it). On that note, I do not in fact have a problem with responsible breeders who have dedicated their lives to the betterment of the breed.
I have had Shar-peis. Love them totally, and while they can be great dogs, not all are good with children (though not ALL of of ANY breed are), and I have dealt with skin and eye issues. My last shar-pei died at 6 years of age of a mast cell tumor, one of the most aggressive forms of cancer in dogs. Even chemotherapy did no good. And as for bassett hounds, I have seen horrendous ear infections. Please consider buying from a responsible breeder or adopting from a shelter. There is bound to be a shelter dog that would fit your situation.

Posted on Dec 29, 2010 5:56:54 PM PST
If you are not able to pay $799 for the "Designer Dog" desired, then you cannot afford the vet bills that will definitely accompany this type of dog. I am a groomer for about 15 years now and "Mini-walrus" dogs are horrible tempered dogs and have more skin issues than I can even describe. Though on the other hand no matter what any of us say about this horrible combination of breeds the end result is people will still buy them because they sound so cool and look like a mini-walrus (because they are fat and short and usually die young due to health problems)...but hey, who are we to judge these so-called responsible pet owners? Ha! Let me guess, she wont have money to get the dog spayed or neutered either right... cause God knows we need more Mini-Health Problems in the world...

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Posted on Dec 30, 2010 7:30:17 AM PST
Justin C. says:
Not sure where you got that she can't afford it. She can, and being a pet owner all her life, know all the additional cost. She was just looking for a better deal. And saying that they are horrible tempered and more skin issues than you can describe? Like was mentioned in a previous post, we have know a few of these dogs and been around even more and never bad tempered. Health issues maybe slightly higher than normal, but not much. The mixing with the Basset makes for much less wrinkles and therefor much less skin problems. And your spayed / neutered comment? We should let all animals just die off that have more health issues than normal? Don't you know that most dogs were mutts to start with? Might have been thousands of years ago, but most breeds came from a mixture of other dogs / wolfs. And does this pertain to only animals or humans as well? There are tons of humans that breed knowingly passing on cancer / diabetes / etc. Should we spayed or neuter them as well?

Posted on Dec 30, 2010 8:09:05 AM PST
This is going off on a bit of a tangent, but I'd like to clarify your thoughts on Sher-pei skin issues. The problems with the skin of the Shar-pei are not a direct result of having too many wrinkles. Therefore adding in Bassett hound to reduce the wrinkles changes nothing. The skin of many shar-peis is highly sensitive; they often have many allergy problems throughout their lives. The other skin problem that can plague them is idiopathic mucinosis, where there is an excess of mucus in the skin (can complicate surgery, etc.).
As for the other comments made about breeding, humans of course are not going to let all dogs with medical problems die off. BUT it IS out duty and our responsibility to discourage indiscriminate breeding practices, like those who are breeding shar-pei/ bassett hound mixes, that we know have greater potential to cause problems. And yes, dogs came from wolves, but when man domesticated the dog he/she became responsible for the dog's well being. (I'm not even going to comment on the human breeding, that was just to rile people up).

Posted on Dec 30, 2010 8:11:44 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 30, 2010 8:19:51 AM PST
I love Kumo says:
No such thing as a "mini walrus". They're just mutts with a fancy (not to mention ridiculous) name that people sell to make money. These breeders have no standards, don't do health testings, and just put a high price on their mutt to get suckers like you. If you want a purebred, contact a reputable breeder who actually Knows what they are doing. There are plenty of dogs that are dying in shelters. If you want a mutt go to a shelter!

Posted on Dec 30, 2010 8:31:41 AM PST
Justin C. says:
Hopefully all your comments are making you all feel better about yourself because they aren't doing a thing for my original question "Any Mini Walrus breeders here in Ohio?" If they aren't, maybe just keep them to yourself. I could go back and forth all day with you all, but that isn't really why I'm here. It was a simple question, if you don't know the answer, move on.

Posted on Dec 30, 2010 9:02:10 AM PST
I love Kumo says:
I am trying to Inform you. Sigh..I guess some people just don't learn. Keep in mind this "mini walrus" has no set temperament or appearance/size. What you see on other people's "mini walruses" does not reflect anything. ( so what's next, a teacup saintbernadoodleggle?)

Posted on Dec 30, 2010 11:21:58 AM PST
A. Huser says:
Justin--if she is looking for a "better deal", then she doesn't seem too serious in really wanting a dog. And a hybird at that, which is sad. The dogs that you are looking for, since they are mutts, will simply be bred by backyard breeders with NO health and temperment testing, and no regard to betterment of either breed. Reputable breeders breed dogs to better the breed, not mix and match and see what they come up with, and then charge a huge amount of money. These are people that are mixing dog breeds, trying to come up with the latest fad (like bellbottom jeans) and then sell them at the highest price, ONLY TO MAKE A BUCK. They don't care about the dogs and what happens to them afterwards. They only care about the all mighty dollar, and you and your sister are being sucked into it. It is mostly because of puppy mills and backyard breeders that so many dogs are in shelters needing homes. People make snap decision based upon what other people have, what they see in pet stores, and what the latest fad is before they do their research and realize that they may be making a really stupid decision.

Do these "breeders" that you are looking for do CERF testing on on the eyes of not only the parents, but the offspring? What about OFA testing on the thyroid and the heart? How about OFA or PENN-HIP testing on hips and elbows? I highly doubt it. Only respectable breeders do that. Justin, you need to educate yourself and your sister, or she will have one heck of a mess on her hands when the "mini walrus" grows up into a tempermental and sickly adult.

By the way, it is SHAR PEI...not Char Pei. If that is what you sister told you to look for, then she is the one that needs to do her research before she even contemplates getting a dog. Might want to know how to spell the breed, or terrible mix thereof.

Posted on Dec 30, 2010 11:38:10 AM PST

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Justin C. says:
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Posted on Dec 30, 2010 12:15:58 PM PST
The answer to your question? No. I do not know of any "mini walrus" breeders in Ohio.
If you cannot maturely handle feedback on a question on a DISCUSSION (hence the opinions) forum, take your
question elsewhere. The reason your question wasn't answered exactly was that there was an inherent moral/ ethical
problem in your question.
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