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Teacher's comment questioning the qualifications of homeschoolers


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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2010 7:49:39 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 25, 2010 8:20:42 PM PDT
Me says:
V - I never said any such thing...please. Everyone refers to a text book to find out where and how at some point... How else would you know what concepts to teach at all? Or that you have to teach certain concepts before you begin others?

You must be thinking of someone else, or you misunderstood me. My problem in Math while I was in school, was that teachers had no time to really show me the basic principles that I didn't understand, so I just kept getting failed and passed to the next teacher, and the next, without really learning the basic structures.

Me buying a program that was designed by men who graduated from Harvard, to help me teach those concepts that I didn't get is a completely different thing.

Somehow, I've moved suddenly from being "exemplary" in your book to "ill-educated". Interesting... not that it matters, it's just... interesting.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 1:32:05 AM PDT
The bible may say one thing, but your belief in God shows that you are not fit to raise a goldfish, never mind a child.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 4:08:17 AM PDT
I had the same problems in math. Developmentally, I just didn't have enough experience to transfer to the meaning in the symbols and numbers. Knowing that I was still deficient after college, rather than blame teachers, I kept up a study and still learn math so that I can help my kids. I would never just give them a textbook to learn things I'm not willing to. Sorry if I misunderstood your position.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 5:46:34 AM PDT
Lisareads says:
A Mental Arithmetic (Classic Reprint)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:56:39 AM PDT
Amen SB. I have a law degree and a Master's degree, and have "studied" my own children for the last 12 years. And I am somehow unqualified to teach 6th grade? How in the world can someone who is incapable of even writing a coherent sentence expect me or anyone else to give any weight to their opinions about homeschooling? Please! This is precisely why I choose to homeschool. I'll put my students up against this person's students any day of the week.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 8:04:34 AM PDT
Cranberry42 says:
It's narrow-minded people like this that we hope are not entrusted with our children "beyond the threshold" of the school chain link fence.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 11:36:16 AM PDT
Me says:
Nope. The bible does not say that God helps those that help themselves. That quote is a myth.

Before you quote the bible, you may do well to read it first.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 12:50:15 PM PDT
Lisareads says:
"Before you quote the bible, you may do well to read it first. "
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Before you quote me you should read the whole thread.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 1:23:02 PM PDT
Me says:
Right. So, it's completely fine to send my kids off to school to learn it if I don't understand it, but not fine to buy a book that teaches it for me, if I'm homeschooling.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 1:43:41 PM PDT
A quarter of our homeschool group is made up of CERTIFIED Teachers that will not send their kids to public school. The "let schooling slide" comment is an attempt at humor. Most states require testing every year or a Certified teacher to sign off on the childs portfolio.
I sent my child to public school. When they told him to write on the paper, he refused. They let him because he is High Functioning Autistic. They would not do anything to upset him because they have to educate the masses and can't have a disruption. It took him about 3 days to figure out that they would not discipline him.
When I was public schooled, the teachers were still in charge. You sat in your seat and did your work or you were disciplined. I have to homeschool my son. They will let him pass without learning because they can.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 1:45:31 PM PDT
S. Martin says:
The studies show that competent parents homeschooling are NOT the exception. And the homeschooling kids I know do NOT lack socialization. These comments reveal a complete lack of knowledge about homeschooling. Please do some research and THEN post when you have an informed opinion to share.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 5:32:17 PM PDT
Proud2bATeacher says:
Of course my post was ridiculous...its called SATIRE! Who's the moron now?

V: LOL. Please label all SATIRE will a big red label, forthwith.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 5:35:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 26, 2010 5:36:10 PM PDT
Daph says:
Right. So, it's completely fine to send my kids off to school to learn it if I don't understand it, but not fine to buy a book that teaches it for me, if I'm homeschooling.

V: When the homeschooling pundits talk about sending "my kids off to school" it always assumes that they will automatically abdicate all parenting and educational responsibility for their own kids! Why is that? It's a straw man argument.

Posted on Aug 26, 2010 5:54:29 PM PDT
Cranberry42 says:
Perhaps she is comparing:

1) Sending her kids off to school and continuing her parental/educational role; OR
2) Buying books and continuing her parental/educational role.

When you say "it" always assumes. . .I guess you really mean "Vainamoinen" always assumes the intention of the homeschooling "pundit". (Very arrogant and subject to error.)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:25:14 PM PDT
This person says, "most" without any facts, numbers or references to back up her gratuitous assertion. She is probably a product of government schools. I think there is very good research and published data to suggest that much higher percentages of homeschooled students excel on the standardized tests. "Most" actually get a better education than the poor kids who are fed pablum about recycling and self-esteem but don't learn how to diagram a sentence, construct a sensible paragraph, do higher math nor learn to think. Public schools train good followers while private and home schools produce more individualist thinkers and leaders. This tends to displease elitists and the sheep whom they have trained to bleat such rubbish. From which group is this lady?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:30:03 PM PDT
My kids are products of Christian schooling and Bible is a graded subject along with all the other subjects. My daughter later went on to go to the public high school and just graduated #1 in the class. She can quote Scripture and the periodic table by memory. You my dear lady are letting your bigotry against a particular stereotype cloud your perception. I am sure you are of at least average intelligence, however you have been mislead by your government schooling/pop culture mentality.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:47:15 PM PDT
Me says:
Thank you, Cranberry; that's exactly what I meant.

It is such a double standard to say that I should choose public school and have someone else teach, because I'm "ill-educated - and in the next breath say that I'm being lazy and abdicating my child's education because I'm using someone else to teach. Either way, someone else is teaching, right?

And let's weigh our options here: Use a program at home that was designed and is taught by Harvard graduates with one-on-one teaching - or send my child to the school with the lowest scores in the state to learn with 30 other students. Hmm... that really is a tough call, my friend. Perhaps I am ill-educated. I suppose it would be better to choose the free option, because it's the popular one, and all my friends are doing it. [end sarcasm]

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:50:17 PM PDT
Daph says:
"Did your Daddy government EVER, I mean EVER, tell you that you should defer that privilege to the government?"
No, but we certainly are being bashed for not using that government "privilege", aren't we?

V: Not at all. Never, in fact. We support your right and respect it. We do criticize the incessant, parroted, and weak straw man arguments for doing so. The research just isn't there with your claims. We also repudiate your constant insinuation that homeschooling somehow makes you better parents---and the obviously biased accusations that all public school kids, their parents, and their teachers are somehow inferior to homeschoolers morally and mentally. You don't love your children more, nor do you merit praise for being a better parent or educator! Plain and simple.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:55:16 PM PDT
S. Martin says:
The studies show that competent parents homeschooling are NOT the exception.

V: If so, show the studies. I'm skeptical that you yourself haven't seen/read any, but are simply parroting some homeschooling organization that told you "studies show"... Studies are published in science and psychology journals of peer-reviewed research. I'd be more interested in reading something credible than in hearing the same glib nonsense endlessly from the same people for whom real scientific integrity means nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 6:57:39 PM PDT
I'm trying to help homeschoolers, whom I support, to stop sounding like amateur political hacks with conviction. There is unbiased research out there? Then use it.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 7:01:48 PM PDT
Scott Goodman says:
This person says, "most" without any facts, numbers or references to back up her gratuitous assertion. She is probably a product of government schools. I think there is very good research and published data to suggest that much higher percentages of homeschooled students excel on the standardized tests.

V: LOL, do you "think" there is very good research? Get on with that, and leave the "elitists and their sheep" comments for your kids. Poor things.

Here's another homeschooler claiming superiority based on his "feelings." ...And yet, we're supposed to believe he's more educated and informed.

Scott: Public schools train good followers while private and home schools produce more individualist thinkers and leaders.

V: Great facts there, Scott. You just make this stuff up. It's pure nonsense.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 7:06:14 PM PDT
Lisareads says:
"There is unbiased research out there? Then use it."
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Perhaps you should follow your own advice. Fact is you do not research yourself the half baked propaganda of consensus bias science.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 7:34:21 PM PDT
Lisareads: Fact is you do not research yourself the half baked propaganda of consensus bias science.

V: No. That describes you. To a "T."

Posted on Aug 26, 2010 7:47:35 PM PDT
"HOW DO HOMESCHOOLERS FARE IN COLLEGE?

Current evidence indicates that homeschoolers' college academic performance is
comparable to that of traditionally educated students. Oliveira's study (as cited in
Galloway, 1995) found no significant differences in critical thinking skills among college freshmen who had graduated from different types of high schools, including home schools, public schools, conventional Christian schools, and accelerated Christian education schools (Galloway, 1995). Sutton and Galloway (2000) also investigated the undergraduate success of college graduates from home schools, private schools, and public schools nationwide. They used 40 indicators of college success that reflected five domains of learning outcomes-achievement, leadership, professional aptitude, physical activity, and social behavior. They concluded that, overall the students from all settings received equivalent educations."
Read the full article yourselves (2003):
http://www.ericdigests.org/2005-2/homeschooling.html

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2010 7:54:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 26, 2010 7:57:32 PM PDT
Me says:
'Never once said any of those things. Not once. If you're reading more into what I've posted, that's your problem - not mine.

Several people have posted non-biased studies; I posted a non-biased study not long ago. Look back a few dozen pages.

Playing "Devil's Advocate" to get everyone emotionally riled up is not helping to educate anyone. It's just making you look like an internet troll. 'Not being snarky, just honest. "Support" does not resemble bashing. It doesn't mean you have to agree with everything that we say, but it doesn't mean you have the right to nit-pick everything that we say, and enforce your self-proclaimed superiority over us.

This is no longer a "meeting of the minds" where you are concerned. If I want to be treated badly for my ideals and opinions, I have only to walk into my own family reunion or go into the grocery store during school hours. Yes, you have more education. Yes, you even have more teaching experience. I, however, don't care to read anymore of your posts.

I do, however, thank you for giving me further insight into the lives of the public school teacher. I'm sorry that you learned nothing from my side. Such is life. Good day to you, and best of luck in your upcoming school year.
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