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Initial post: Nov 11, 2007 11:54:26 AM PST
I got body slammed in a sparring match for cage fighting on Thursday and my lower left lumbar was killing me! So I went to the Chiropractor as soon as I could on Friday! His diagnoses was that I popped my lumbar out of place from my pelvis and ribs. He put it back in place! Now I know its not going to heal overnite but I was wondering if anyone had some advise for releiving the pain or inflamation in my back? Its sore to the touch and im having trouble standing from a sitting position!! The soreness has also spread up to mid back!! Any Advice is appreciated because I would love to get back to training ASAP!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 12:20:57 PM PST
Chickenmama says:
From our own experience, from what I've read and from a recent interview on NPR I firmly believe you should take an asprin for pain and inflamation (pain keeps you tense), do what you can to relax (deep, hot bath followed by a glass of wine?) then get moving. The "get moving" part sounds counterintuitive because you want to sit and not aggravate/activate the pain, but it'll cure back pain. That latter part was what this doctor was all about, get moving. I've found all three suggestions work for us. The overwhelming majority of people's back pain will go away with nothing further, I'd run scared from anyone who jumps to the idea of surgery as it has caused many worse troubles. But this doctor said as long as it doesn't get worse, OR CHANGE, then keep moving thru the pain. Good luck!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 12:38:40 PM PST
Thank You for the advice. I especially like the part about the hot bath and glass of wine. Im tring to move as much as possible but find some movement is more diffucult. As far as surgery not an even option. I feel that it is just a minor injury with alot of pain considering what i was doing. I just wanted to speed along recovery. Thank you very much for the advice and the luck!!! Have A great day!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 5:09:28 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 11, 2007 5:11:07 PM PST
Ajith Kannan says:
Ayurveda, the traditional indian medicinal science is an option worth considering.It consist of oil massage which helps in curing the pain permentatly. The english medicine mostly treats the symptom,not the cause. Like if got back pain and go to a doc, he ll give an injection to fix the inflammation or a pain killer .But the inflammation is just a symptom to indicate something wrong with the spinal cord .Ayurveda looks at the cause and cures that.I am not sure if you get good ayurvedic doctors in US.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 5:31:39 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 7:09:00 PM PST
Paul Coleman says:
I have low back pain and if I exercise (treadmill) it aggravates the pain but when I was on vacation and had to walk A LOT the pain improved over the course of several days. Also, have someone give you a fifteen minute foot massage. Many believe that pressure points on the feet can be stimulated to ease pain elsewhere on the body. I have found that foot massages help enormously. Good luck.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 8:41:46 PM PST
For inflammation, take anti-inflammatory meds, ice the area, take warm bath with epsom salts in bath, and stretching. A good physical therapist would help a lot.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 8:48:02 PM PST
For inflammation, take anti-inflammatory meds, ice the area, take warm bath with epsom salts in bath, and stretching. A good physical therapist would help a lot.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 9:17:55 PM PST
Anita Boser says:
The key is to move the right amount, not too much where you'll cause more injury, or too little which will cause you to get stiff and lose ground in your training. Keep moving in whatever way you can that doesn't aggravate your pain. This will give your back the time it needs to heal without a sacrifice. Also, inflexibility in other parts of the body (like in the legs, feet or upper back) can cause one "weak" spot to go out. Actually, that part isn't weak, it's just compensating for other immobile places. So if you keep moving without pain, you'll give the injured place a rest and force the other parts to get more active.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 9:48:33 PM PST
M. Broadway says:
Hi Thomas. Sorry to hear of your injury and pain. I liked the ideas posted here about rest and pain relief to allow your back to recover and to relax the "siezed" muscles.

I suffered a severe prolapse S5/L1 about 8 years ago, and could not even walk at the time. Even the thought of going to the toilet was torture! I had severe sciatic pain, and found the best treatment involved me gaining knowledge of how backs work, and then patiently doing strengthening and stretching exercises. I bought a copy of Sarah Key's "Back Sufferer's Bible" (she's a manipulative physiotherapist who has worked in Australia and with the British Royal Family) to inform myself, and went to a sports/manipulative physio who showed me effective exercises and stretches.

I had tried Chiropractic beforehand for more minor injuries, but abandonned it when I found all the treatment (and thus the power) was in the hands of the therapist, and I was dependent on him and on keeping regular appointments. In retrospect, chiro may have been one of the aggravating factors, as I had chiro for more minor back problems *prior* to my major injury!

I also feel concerned that you wrote, "His diagnoses was that I popped my lumbar out of place from my pelvis and ribs." Backs do not "pop out"! The mental image that comes to mind with this kind of language is of a part that has jumped out and needs to be manipulated back into place! I believe this is wrong - even damaging! Discs prolapse, facet joints and discs rupture and rub, nerves are damaged. Inform yourself, and seek alternative professional advice. See your GP for anti-inflammatories if necessary.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2007 11:02:40 PM PST
M. Bliss says:
Acupuncture works wonders for pain and inflammation without the use of meds!! Anti-inflam meds are a temporary fix... the body needs to get the energy pathways open for real healing. If you just reduce the inflam. and then get moving....like previously suggested... you could very likely re-injure, as there hasn't been healing yet, just less inflam(which is your body's way of protection). I had a bad car-acc. with intense spine/neck/back pain... Acupuncture saved me.... accompanied by a good "Network" chiropractor - No cracking... uses your body's innate ability to 'self-correct'. Good luck

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2007 5:44:36 AM PST
james wells says:
Ice is good (ice packs) for initial injury. Then usually heat works better, at least for me- hot packs or heating pad. I would recommend you find a good PHYSICIAN, not a bone-cracker, for this kind of injury. You need proper follow-up, maybe x-rays, etc. Then maybe ibuprofen or Aleve to help with the pain/inflammation. BUT- see a doc. My best advice. Make sure something that needs care is not over-looked. Later, as it heals- SLOWLY begin gentle exercise and stretching. Beat aided by a good physical therapist, who can advise best exercises for you. Go easy! Push too much, too soon- just gonna make it worse. Push LATER. Still, get a DOC to check this for you- now.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2007 7:40:45 AM PST
THANK YOU to everyone!!! This is all geat advice!!! The Chiropracter opinions are a little scary to read!!! I had no idea that there were so many risks!! Ive heard many good things about physiotherapist but im not sure what they do?? Thank you for everyones genuine concern its brought new light to my injury and im going to make sure i do the right things!! In my line of work the last thing I need is a recurring injury, it could be a career ender!! Thanks again!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2007 8:53:48 AM PST
Hi Thomas-I have had back problems all of my life, and when I was in a similar lower back agony, my chiropractor said DO NOT!!!! take a hot bath. The reason is that you get all relaxed in the tub, and then can make the condition much worse by hauling yourself up to get out of it. Instead try this-a bag of frozen vegetables for 15 mins, then microwave a damp towel (run it under the shower until it is evenly damp-not wet)for 3 mins on high and apply that for 20 mins. Make sure you put the frozen veges(peas or corn work best) back in the freezer for round two while you apply the moist heat. Switch back and forth between hot and cold 3 times, twice a day. Aspirin is okay, but over the counter drugs (any drugs for that matter) inhibit the body's ability to heal itself. Instead try ARNICA MONTANA-30 ch. It is a homeopathic remedy which will not give you any side effects or comprimise your healing. It is available in most health oriented stores or homeopathic pharmacies. It comes in little pellets that you let dissolve under your tongue, or in a topical cream or gel form. I suggest both. If you do the pellets, put 5 at a time under your tongue without touching them with your fingers. The container is conducive to this. Take them 3 times a day, half hour before or after a meal. I had a very serious car accident and cracked two vertebrea, leaving me with only 5 degrees rotation left and right and unbelieveable headaches. After 30 years of various treatments, medical and natural, the only thing that worked is arnica. I now have full mobility and less headaches.

You may also want to go for acupuncture-another natural treatment that works. I don't think the glass of wine is a problem though- unless you get too drunk and fall down and hurt yourself again!
Best regards and good luck
MM

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2007 9:08:06 AM PST
Brian Prax says:
I'm a chiropractor (and also a patient of chiropractic). You'll most likely need more than 1 visit to the DC. Contrary to some beliefs, it's very safe. Your DC has aslo been trained to detect any non chiropractic situations and refer out if necessary. I've also found great results by using ice (20 mins on 1 hour off) and Arnica. Arnica is a great homeopathic remedy that you should be able to get at a local health food store. Hope this helps. BTW you should also be discussing this with your DC.Hope this helps.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2007 9:21:25 AM PST
Hey MM,
I got a good laugh at the whole falling down drunk comment. Hillarious mental picture, painful too!! I just read some reviews on ARNICA MONTANA-30 and it looks like mutiple people agree with you!! Thanks for the advice and its good to hear that you found a great solution and are mobile again!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2007 1:50:38 PM PST
Kay says:
An ice pack can help reduce the swelling and ease pain. You can alternate between ice packs and a hot pack.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2007 6:24:08 PM PST
Dandy says:
Ice pack wrap in a dish cloth....10 minutes on, take it off and let the area re-warm, 10 minutes on, let it re-warm....you can do this 'til the cows come home. Called "Cryotherapy". Surprised your chiropractor didn't recommend it. It reduces the inflammation and swelling. Also, stay off your back....lie in a recliner (with the ice pack). Take anti-inflammatories....like Advil, Ibuprofen, etc. You can also take Tylenol with the Ibuprofen. Tylenol every four hours, Ibuprophen every six. You should notice a difference in 24 hours.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2007 6:31:28 PM PST
Dear Thom:

The attitude you expressed thusly:
"I would love to get back to training ASAP!"
Is certainly part of the problem...

Chronic over-training will result in chronic musculo-skeletal injuries..and if persisted in, can result in a lifetime of chronic pain.

First you have to take enough time off from the activities that caused the injuries to begin with to allow yourself to heal.

I understand how compelling a training regimen can become, but if you don't take the time to heal...you will decrease, not increase your ability in both the short and long term.

If your training for what is one of the most vigorous sports known, (MMA/Cage Fighting) is resulting in some major injuries...then your body IS trying to tell you something, < are you listening? I know it's hard to do, but you need to learn to cultivate that ability just as in developing your striking, grappling, submissions, etc.>.

Next, Acupuncture and Herbal Medicines can be a real help in this situation, as there are centuries of accumulated acupuncture techniques, and internal/external herbal remedies that are SIGNIFICANTLY helpful in healing from exactly this kind of trauma, (in fact, this specialty is known as "Hit Medicine", as it was developed by Monks, Warriors and Chinese Martial Artists specifically to recover from these types of injuries).

You need to seek out a qualified practitioner though.

Next, look into getting some proper physical therapy, and when appropriate, physical rehabilitation exercises so that your body can heal properly, and develop proper exercise/rehab/injury prevention skills...again, just like one develops endurance, balance, grappling skills, etc. Again, one needs to seek out competent, skilled, professional practitioners. Ask around.

There are also Homeopathic remedies that are specific for sports injuries, (there are books on Amazon about this subject).

Take your time and heal your body, and investigate some of these alternative and conventional therapies to assist you in your healing & recovery process.

Good luck.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2007 8:20:56 AM PST
Hello Thomas, There is little known modality called structural Energetic Therapy www.structuralenergetictherapy.com which addresses the core distortion which everybody is born with and drops further into as life and its traumas occurs. Most practitioners have known of its existance but until Don McLean figured out the cranial moves no-one has been really successful in obtaining lasting results. Once the core distortion release has been done it holds for life. The beauty of this is process is that the body is then (in the case of an athlete) able to absorb far more imapct without injury much like your vehicle when the chassis is straight as opposed to when it is twisted. There is a huge energy increase as the body is now more efficient and not wasting energy fighting this distortion, there is less aches and pains through the joints (mainly the hip, knee) less carpal tunnel because the arm is not trying to function in a compromised position, and a whole host of other benefits. Repeat visits being one of them. After the core distortion release then sub patterns are addressed which are body strain patterns gained through your day to day activities. Personally my joint pains dissappeared, I am running far more efficiently and quicker, my horse riding has improved tremendously and my clients have all reported a range of improvements rangeing from the typical to spectactular. Hope this helps.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2007 10:01:37 AM PST
Once again thanks to all for the great advice. Ive been reading up on everyones suggestion and found some new and interesting knowledge on all of these subjects!! Superb advice from Mr. Canning, but I cant find anything on "Hit Medicine" and I'm very interested. I have stopped training for the time being, listening to my body, using ice and heat,moving as much as possible, light yoga/ball excersise, and massage. So far the results are positive and I am improving day to day. I think I have a bad strain/sprain? Just playing it safe for now! Thanks again for the advice and luck.
Most Appreciative,
Thomas Benson

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2007 12:48:07 PM PST
Azalee says:
Hi Thomas. I myself have suffered from reoccuring back pain caused by an injury I had while waiting tables. My first advice is to visit your family physician. If needed, he/she can refer you to a specialist (some specialists will not see you without a referral). It sounds like you may have a spinal issue - but I'm not a doctor. I am currently being treated for leukemia, and the treatments cause severe bone pain. It sounds like you might have some pretty intense pain as well. In my experience, I have found that using a heat pad for pain at home works very well - even better than my prescribed narcotics. Keep in mind that if you do have an issue with your vertebrae, another injury can cause paralyzation, so be wary of any strenous exercise. Just try to keep the area stretched, but above all, see a doctor! I hope this advise helps.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2007 5:45:36 PM PST
mackdog says:
I have had back problems for 30 years, that come and go. Started seeing a chiropractor 10 years ago and it helped. 2 months ago I bought this book on amazon Price
1 of: Treat Your Own Back [Paperback]
By: Robin A. McKenzie (Author)on and never read it till my back went out 5 weeks ago, and then I read the book. Only saw the chiropractor twice and with the help of the exercises went from walking in pain with a cane to back to 100% at work in 3 weeks, and I drive a garbage truck. My last time my back went out under the chiropractors care took me 3 months.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2007 6:11:10 PM PST
You might also want to look into myofascial trigger point therapy. Trigger points are "knots" in the muscles and they can cause a great deal of pain. Check out www.myofascialtherapy.org for more information.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2007 6:21:39 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 14, 2007 7:52:25 PM PST
J. says:
i'm a Postural Alignment/Movement Specialist & former athletic trainer. hopefully you had xrays taken (shows hard tissue=bones), possibly MRI (shows soft tissue=muscles.ligaments.tendons)... if you have older xrays from previous "adventures", your MD's can compare/contrast to recent reports to see if there was STRUCTURAL involvement (bones/vertebrae, pelvis) or if it was strain/sprain of soft tissue (muscles/lig'ts/tendons).

Clairifications: Physical therapist(US)=Physiotherapist (UK, Australia, etc.)...same profession, although UK-based approach tends to be more whole-body (holistic), rather than joint-specific/region-specific. There are some exceptional US-trained, pioneering-minded PT's who also use more holistic approach.
PhysiATRISTS are AMA (amer. med. assoc) M.D.'s whose focus is generally NON-INVASIVE (interpret: surgery ONLY if absolutely needed) methods like exercise, injections, etc. ... as opposed to many (not all) Orthopedic MD's who are trained in surgery (HINT: MD's tend to do what they are TRAINED to do, which is what makes Dr. Mehmet Oz a refreshing exception to the rule -- he often incorporates so-called "alternative healing" techniques with his patients, read his book, "Healing from the Heart")

Websites: http://www.kineticconditioning.net/physicaltherapy.htm (esp. if you're near L.A., CA)...check out Mvmt Condition'g & PT tabs.
Also www.busergreus.com (if near AZ, CA, NYC metro-area), and www.egoscue.com (has network of facilities around US, some international sites). I've studied under all 3 modalities & they WORK, as my many clients will attest!

For your "sport" (cage fight'g) the first site would suit you best, & if you're really serious about continuing your sport, would be WORTHWHILE investment to go to L.A. for assessment/eval'n & exercise program. I personally know 2 highly athletic people who are each recovering from major traffic accidents (broken ribs, pelvis, collarbone, herniated discs in spine, etc) who are 2-3 months later walking & moving WELL (not ready to run a race or do kick-boxing, yet, but were told by MD's they could never participate in sports again). People can't tell they've been in major accidents. Of course, Thomas' injury was NOT nearly as severe as theirs -- so the prognosis is even better!

As mentioned in earlier posts, you'll need to ACTIVELY (using your own muscles) re-engage/re-balance your deep stabilizing muscles IN ADDITION TO the structural work (re-aligning the vertebrae, possibly pelvis, too) done PASSIVELY (an external force moves your body/body parts) by the chirop. It sounds like the adjustment WAS needed immed. after injury (& dep. on if there's still significant structural/bone imbalance, may still need a few more adjustments). If more chirop. needed, best approach NOW would be with practitioners who incorporates more muscle manipulation/massaging, with GENTLE easing vertebrae/pelvis back into place (prefer gentler approach more than "pop'g into position"). Remember, PAIR the chirop adjustments (& ANY passive-releasing modality like massage, acupucture, hot bath, etc) with an ACTIVATING/muscle-stimulating exercise that calls on the deep stabilizing muscles of your body to wake up & support your frame. You'll need to consult with not just any physical therapist or trainer, but with people who specialize in athletic populations & who take a whole body (holisitic approach). Like the above websites.

Finally, INSIGHT for all respondants:
WHY does the back (low, sometimes mid-back, even butt & hamstrings) spasm/tighten/ache after an injury like Thomas'? there are muscles INSIDE your skeleton that help to stabilize your body-connecting your UPPER body (waist & up) to your LOWER body (hips & down).
when you pull your lower body AWAY from your upper body (e.g. sit->stand OR standing bent-over->standing upright) you're essentially asking these muscles to be LONGER ... if the muscles are flexible, all's ok; if not, you'll feel yanking in your low/mid-back, sometimes even in your groin. if your body's muscles are really out-of-balance, you'll feel it in the extremities & possibly have tingling &/or numbness, too. v. special feeling (not!).

Too much to put in a posting. if you have more specific Q's, drop me a line: fitjanine@gmail.com.
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