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Natural stimulants that are legal and not destructive ?

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Initial post: Jun 3, 2012 7:10:50 AM PDT
I'm a ost-cardiac patient who needs to eat or drink something that will both energize me, wake my butt up and give my morning brain more focus! Plus I'm type 2 diabetic. Your suggestions ,please. Thanks.

Posted on Jun 3, 2012 8:25:16 AM PDT
CDaniels says:
Coffee! Or 4C Totally Light Bonus Variety Pack, Energy Rush, 18-Count Boxes (Pack of 3) Ginseng is supposed to be energizing, but I never found a noticeable difference unless mixed with caffeine.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 11:16:09 AM PDT
Swedey says:
Homemade vegetable juices that contain spinach wake me up and give me the boost I need for most of the day even. Sugar and carbs slow me down.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 6:27:51 PM PDT
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Posted on Jun 3, 2012 7:15:34 PM PDT
Captain says:
Post-cardiac implies there's a physician in your life. Why don't you ask him/her and make sure your desire for a stimulant is appropriate.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 7:27:11 PM PDT
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Posted on Jun 3, 2012 7:50:03 PM PDT
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K. A. says:
A classmate would slightly smell Eucalyptus exactly for this reason. I do not think it could be harmful. I imagine peppermint as well would be a nice awakening experience, although not a purely physical stimulant. Have you looked into light therapy, if you can't "take" anything? Hope I'm not being too off topic, as you asked for a consumable.

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Posted on Jun 4, 2012 3:14:33 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 3:22:58 PM PDT
Dr Jas says:
There are several things you could try, depending on how severely you're impacted by your fatigue.
If you've tried "everything", and you feel you've run out of options, you could first try one of two things - asking ur doctor for an Rx for Deplin - a very high dose L-Methylfolate. If you don't want to go that route, you could try ordering a high dose of folate, but make sure you get a bio-available form of folate, such as 5-MTHF, or L-methylfolate, Folinic Acid - make sure it's one of these forms of folate - which are the bioavailable forms. The normal dose is 800 mcg (micrograms), but Amazon has several of the higher doses - from 1 mg (milligram) to 10 mg. Here's a sublingual, with B vitamins for "cardiovascular health" , and the price is pretty good!
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If you're life is really being interrupted in a big way, you might look into going to one of the Amen Clinic locations, and have your brain scanned. They'll do a work-up, then one of the doctors will meet with you and make personalized suggestions, based on the specifics of your brain, and your health. If needed, they'll suggest both medications, or supplements based on what's needed, &/or your preferences.

If it's not quite that pressing, you could first try books to research fatique and the best ways to fight it, treat it, and/or work to overcome it. From what I've read, my own experience, and from what I've gleaned from professionals, there are a few things you can't skimp on... Good nutrition, quality sleep in the amount needed for your age, and exercise.

Good nutrition is first and foremost - eating a healthy diet - eating to fuel your body, adding supplements where needed. Fueling with 5 or 6 very small meals a day keeps our metabolism burning, and prevents it from going into a protective mode - where metabolism slows down. My friend, Gerson Kuhr Core Training for Belly Dancers , recommends each meal contain 2 - 3 oz high quality protein (e.g. turkey, egg whites, beans, legumes...), a serving or 2 of vegetables, or small salad, 1 oz of hard white cheese (so that there's very litttle fat), and a piece of fruit at 2 of the meals, and if desired a snack before bedtime.
In lieu of a meal, very high quality whey, egg white, soy, spirulina, or another protein with little or no sugar and fat. My husband and I drink these at least once a day, and many of them are REALLY good! You can add a little of this and a little of that to make it even better! Ideas - a banana, a small handful of berries - like blueberries, a pkt of Stevia, a tblsp of peanut or almond butter or a dash of coffee of ur using chocolate protein, ... those are just a few ideas we've used. Grind up ur flax seed REALLY well, and toss that in, add some of ur larger capsules or tablets of vitamins - as long as they don't taste really bad - you don't want to ruin you're shake.
My friend, Jonathan Bailor, has great ideas about eating, and even better ideas about 10 - 20 min of muscle exhausting exercise twice a week (ONLY!) - with or w/o the gym! In the Smarter Science of Slim, which talks about eating and exercise - 10 yrs of research went into this book! And it's endorsed by Harvard Medical School, along with a LONG list of venerable authorities in various health and exercise fields! Jonathan also has a blog called ... ... where there are some great exercise videos!
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Getting some exercise - even when you don't feel you can move at all is even more important - just get started! Often seems it's easier said than done when you feel severe fatigue or depression, but TR try Dr Amen's book(s): The Amen Solution: The Brain Healthy Way to Get Thinner, Smarter, Happier
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You might try looking either on body building websites, or look under supplements, herbs, or ayurvedic remedies to energize. You should specify your cardiac and metabolic concerns.

Also, do you keep a diary of what you eat, and how foods affect you? It can be really helpful. I find that sugar zaps my energy like nothing else, and gives me horrible migraines! Especially anything with sugar in the AM makes me really tired! In the afternoon I can't eat anything but yogurt, a few nuts, or about .5 C berries. Bread tends to make me feel weighty & tired later in the day/evening. So, I try to avoid those things that make me feel less than optimal, and eat more of a raw diet than anything else.

Good luck! I've been there, and know how difficult it can be!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 5, 2012 6:52:55 PM PDT
Howard, the best stimulant you have is adrenaline and you make your own. The key to using it for that morning starter, is to go to bed early, get a good night's rest, then in the morning you will run out of blood sugar, and the adrenaline will start pumping you up......... naturally. It is the way the animals do it, as did our forefathers.

This entire process is covered in two books with one author being involved in both (Mike McInnes):
The Hibernation Diet
The Honey Revolution: Restoring the Health of Future Generations

In these books, all these subjects are covered, the diet, the exercise, the sleep, the light and the mindset.

Disease is not our natural state. Your doctor is trained as a disease expert and a crisis manager. Keep clear of crisis, and seek out HEALTH specialist. Keep it natural, and you will WANT to get up in the morning, as lying in bed will be over.

Early to bed and early to rise makes one healthy, wealthy and wise.

OK, so you and many others will now tell me why they can't, why they don't and why I shouldn't, but hey, I'm old and burnt out myself, and still going strong, enjoying every day, and my sleep patterns continue to improve! I don't go looking for drugs. The caffeine in Cocoa is about as strong as I recommend, despite having a few coffees and teas each week when I want to play a bit.



In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2012 3:42:46 AM PDT
John; when I got up this morning after eating almost nothing last night ,my blood glucose was the lowest it has been in years @ 158 and my energy level is very good this AM! Am eating raw raisins,cashews and almonds for breakfast now (unsalted ) and a small amount of coffee for its caffeine. Will check on those books you listed. As I am type 2 diabetic I will be anxious to see what Mcinnes says I am supposed to eat. Thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2012 3:50:18 AM PDT
apples2apples; Thank you very much for taking all that time to type up all that info. for me. Looked up the supplements you mentioned and they are affordable and easy to get hold of online. I remember reading awhile ago about folic acid in a book on "smart drugs" that must have been published in the 1980's ? I'm not looking to lose weight as I dropped an easy 10 pounds in 2 months after I gave up Mountain Dew and my beloved Pepsi in favor of iced tea. I do have several doctors for my cardiac problems and am adding an endocrinologist ASAP. I come from a family full of Docs (MDs ) but this time I have learned that they don't and cant know everything or what is best for each,individual patient. We must be our own advocate,as my sister keeps telling me! Thanks so much. Howard White

Posted on Jun 6, 2012 3:50:31 PM PDT
Your sister is a wise woman!
Your attitude to change is your best advantage!


In reply to an earlier post on Jun 7, 2012 4:59:46 AM PDT
John L. Smith ; As you recommended above I am allowing my blood sugar to get low .I test my blood glucose every morning ( and evening ) and my AM blood glucose is trending down to a much better level; previously adjusting by increasing my evening insulin attempted this , but had no good results ! Thanks

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2012 5:41:37 PM PDT
OldAmazonian says:
I need something that will wake my butt up but leave my brain asleep.

Posted on Sep 18, 2012 5:58:04 PM PDT
WhoAmI? says:
I have DPSD so most of my life I've had trouble staying awake during the day. Stimulants and even prescription meds didn't work for me. Strangely enough the only thing that has worked is light therapy. My problem is very different than yours but you might want to give it a shot. There are lots of SAD lights here on Amazon. They really work for giving you an energy boost. It worked so well for me I even shelled out a couple hundred on a Light therapy visor so that I can do chores while getting my daily dose.

I've read that caffiene raises insulin levels so you might want to stay away from that if you're diabetic.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2012 10:22:42 PM PDT
ColdShot says:
both of these, gave energy, without feeling drugged!!!!

Source Naturals Enada NADH 5mg, 60 Tablets

AIM Peak Endurance Sports Energy Drink 14.1 oz. Powder

Posted on Sep 22, 2012 11:17:12 AM PDT
Captain says:
Alternative Medicines Forum:

Posted on Sep 25, 2012 7:40:43 PM PDT
Thanks to all that have left suggestions for me ; am now on short term disability for the next 15 weeks and now have time to do my own 'research' on your suggestions. My blood glucose is down to 174 most mornings and my blood pressure is in the normal range for the first time in decades ! My family Doc ( and others ) suggest that I might have sleep apnea ,so I will be tested for that soon. I did not know until very recently that folks w/ SA tend to have almost NO focus during the day. Bingo!

Posted on Sep 26, 2012 4:23:46 AM PDT
OldAmazonian says:
What's your objection to UNnatural legal stimulants?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 26, 2012 7:15:10 AM PDT
OldAmazonian ; What do you suggest and can I get it/them over the counter ? Thanks

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 26, 2012 7:24:17 AM PDT
OldAmazonian says:
Caffeine tablets are OTC.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 27, 2012 8:08:47 AM PDT
I was hoping for more like a "smart drug" that increases IQ by 15 points in 15 minutes and gets body and mind going
on all 12 cylinders at once without causing my old damaged ,stent filled heart to jump out of my chest like a scene from Aliens !!!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 27, 2012 10:16:24 PM PDT
OldAmazonian says:
Provigil [a brand name of newfangled speed] works -- at over $800/30 tabs retail -- but it is Rx only. You could join the armed forces hoping to get it, if you're poor. I can't say from personal observation, but I've heard it's dispensed like PEZ to our troops. Of all the possible ways to squander the tax revenue that is extorted from now and future taxpayers, I can think of worse ways, but there is NOTHING about which that can't be said. Politicians are the world's most ingenious and relentless squanderers.

Posted on Sep 28, 2012 10:42:15 PM PDT
I heard Reserveage CocoaWell True Energy with AdaptoStress3 works great. CocoaWell - True Energy, Helps Promote Alertness & Mitigate Effects of Stress, 60 vegetarian capsules Good luck!
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