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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2007 6:39:17 PM PST
Fisher says:
Hypoxic said:
The poor and undereducated are the only ones that need this done? (cleansing)

That comment has to be the strangest I have heard in a while.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 5, 2007 10:45:09 PM PST
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happytobeme says:
I was refering to the comment made by conservevalibertarian "These self-absorbed people with too little education, too much money, and too much time on their hands seem to fall for everything labeled "holistic."

Basically they were saying that anyone that would consider doing "cleansing" is undereducated. There are plenty of people with educations using cleansing products. :) I love these discussions. Brings out the worst in some people. "you should leave it for the experts". "You have to have very specialized education to know the interior of human body".

The fact is only YOU know YOUR body better than anyone with a phd or specialzed education. If an internal cleanse makes you feel better and relieves your symptoms, then who is to say that it is "quackery". Of course these guys "educated scientist" will tell you that antedotal evidence is not what it needed. Show me the studies baby! No personal testimonies allowed!

How many times have you (general) been to an "educated" physician with a complaint, were prescribed an entire medicine cabinet of meds, and still had symptoms in addition to the new side effects of all the meds you are now taking?

Sorry Sandi my punctuation and grammer leave alot to be desired. I guess I am undereducated.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 5:57:10 AM PST
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Of course, I use soap and toothpaste. Emulsifiers and detergents are proven to remove dirt. Mechanical brushing is proven to remove debris from teeth and flouride is proven to prevent cavities.

By the same token, I eat plenty of fiber, drink plenty of water and do not drink, smoke or eat lots of processed foods. These things are proven to maintain the health of the intestine and body.

Problem is...these have NOTHING to do with the argument at hand which is the scientific nonsense of thinking herbs and various nostrums somehow "scare' all these various toxins and sludge the holistic crowd keeps espousing.

So your little attempt at debating physiology and chemistry with a group of scientists has merely made you look foolish.

But you and hypoxic can take solice in each other and huddle together and "KNOW' that your cleanses are working and the sum total of human knowledge lags behind what some clown on an infomercial told you.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 7:24:55 AM PST
Fisher says:
Michael Wasson:
Your suggestion that everyone who cleanses is brainwashed by any infomercial is insulting. It is as if you feel the "sum of human knowledge" you mention exists only within you and your peers.

It is what you and a couple of the other medical professionals and chemists are shooting for isnt it? To degradingly explain to the uneducated, and so very ignorant group who don't to agree with your position how pitiful they are? You and your peers are spending your very valuable time enlightening and correcting the conversational grammar of the poor confused members and I am sure all appreciate your verbal beat down.

For the record, I eat plenty of fiber and whole foods, drink the correct amount of water for my size, (5 for the record -whats yours?) I have never smoked and I do not eat processed foods, pork or smoked meats of any kind. I live far from cities and walk 3+ miles daily. I grow what produce I can in my garden and eat wild game and grass fed meats. I will save you the time in typing the insult, and say that yes, I live in the country.

I do not consider myself to be of the "holistic" crowd in spite of your obvious attempt to firmly stereotype me there. I consider myself practical, not frivolous with money, and open minded to things that you seem to be quite defensive about. Strangely defensive actually. Almost threatened.

I also do not believe I have a toxic dump inside of me. I do believe many people do have some very dangerous internal problems. Many people are constipated to the extent of pure misery by the prescription drugs they abuse and/or are dependent on, poor diet and lack of movement. To broadly dismiss all internal cleansing as quackery or nonsense and to berate anyone who feels it might have merit is to think very highly of your own opinion. A better route to helping people (although that does not seem to be your goal) may be to remind people there is no quick fix to health, only constant, thoughtful maintenance of your body. Optimism, information and suspicion in equal measure is best when dealing with not only natural treatments, but also with Doctors, Pharmacists, and Hospitals.

Just a reminder: In the end, your position is only your educated opinion and more highly educated opinions, conclusions, and so called medical "facts' than your own have been proven to be incorrect or severely flawed over time. No one completely understands the human body. That, unfortunately, for all of us, includes medical and chemistry professionals.

For others: Mayo clinic is giving a B rating (scale from A to E) to the plant Milk thistle for Liver Diseases such as Hep C and Cirrhosis to improve liver function. I found that interesting especially considering the source.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 7:40:08 AM PST
Fisher says:
Thanks hypoxic,
Maybe we could huddle in our grossly ignorant bliss (per Michael Wasson) I really treasure my own husband in discussions like these! Which do you think physicians/chemists need more: bedside manner training, anger management or psychotherapy for delusions of grandeur?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 8:04:30 AM PST
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I was not aware that I was the one who started the insults?

I believe it was you that equated my belief that cleanses are rubbish to the draconian ideas that bathing and oral hygiene were harmful. And it was also you that implied the scientists of today were ignorant only in the fact that they have not yet been proven wrong (hand washing before surgery) Sound familar? It would seem that I did not champion the idea of berated the opinions of others!

I don't recall insulting anyone based on where they lived either? I grew up in the country myself.

As for the scientific method. No, science does not have all the answers, nor does it claim to. The field is constantly changing as new ideas are tested and proven. However, the purveyors of new ideas do not prove their hypotheses by creating infomercials, writing on message boards or claiming conspiracy. They prove their ideas for all to see in controlled and properly-conducted studies and publishing the results in peer-reviewed journals. The FDA has approved the use of dozens of natural products in this way. There is no "conspiracy" against natural products...only the demand that claims made are factual!

Milk thistle fits this catagory..if it is beneficial, someone, somewhere will try to discover the origin of its benefits and isolate the key indregient. If this happens, milk thistle or its active analyte will become part of the heptatology crowd.

Of course, it might go the way of zinc. You remember zinc don't you? 10 years ago it was the thing for colds and several studies showed it prevented colds or reduced their longevity. Suddenly zinc was in every OTC cold medicine. After 10 years of research however, no effect or benefit has been proven. One can say the same for chromium, vitamin C and laetrile.

For the record, I do not care what you and the others on this board buy, consume or pump up your rectums. I am not threatened by any of the natural/holistic market since I do not work in the pharmaceutical field. There will always be a need for scientists, so no matter how many colon cleanses get sold, I will be able to find work.

I am sorry you feel threatened by science. "Strangely defensive actually. Almost threatened." But that is not my concern either. I am posting what I know to be true and factual for the benefit of those that would listen. Since you do not fall into that catagory, feelfree to disregard my I do with yours.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 9:01:40 AM PST
Fisher says:
I am sorry it took so long to post, I was busy getting six pack abs, buying real estate with NO MONEY DOWN, and climbing on my Little Giant Ladder. But I have not found the time to, as you so eloquently put it, consume or pump something up my rectum. I am kidding, really, lets lighten up.

It is too bad you aren't in the Pharmaceutical field. They could use some of your prove it or it is bull**** reasoning with regard to new drug approval. Prove the drug safe and effective LONG TERM before allowing it to be sold and aggressively marketed to the public in advertising and to the physicians in kickbacks. Prove that it is better than the current drug they sell at 1/100 th of the price. The advertising for drugs in this country put the infomercials to shame.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 9:28:39 AM PST
brian0918 says:
Your first step is to discard this antiquated belief in vague "toxins" and their huge "impact on your life", and start accepting that many of your problems are likely the result of your own choices or inactions at critical moments.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 10:50:30 AM PST
Sandi: "I was busy getting six pack abs, buying real estate with NO MONEY DOWN, and climbing on my Little Giant Ladder."
Funny you should use a Little Giant Ladder as an example of what you evidently consider scams. I have had one of these ladders for over 25 years. It is an excellent product and has given me good service. Not cheap but worth it.

Gee it's awful how the evil medical and pharmaceutical businesses conspire against good folks like yourself. Let's all elect HRC, socialize medicine, and put the evil big pharma out of business. Then we''ll see how many useful drugs emerge from the government bureaucracy. But then, maybe you'd think that's a good thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 10:51:35 AM PST
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Oregongirl says:
What "huge impact"? What "problems"? What "inactions"? What "choices"?

What I said was, we were debating about flushing/toxins at work. It has been a very interesting discussion too..

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 11:18:31 AM PST
brian0918 says:
You are under the belief that you have "toxins". You believe that these things can be "flushed", and that "flushing" will make you feel better. You should elaborate here what makes you believe this.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 11:33:16 AM PST
R. Hardman says:
1-Toxins are hazardous byproducts that your body must eliminate through its detoxification pathways
2-Your body is constantly eliminating toxins
3-Everybody should aim to either avoid or eliminate as many toxins as possible
4-Cleansing is needed on a 24 by 7 basis

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 11:43:50 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 6, 2007 11:46:42 AM PST
Oregongirl says:
What I meant by flush out is that once in awhile my body feels like I'm dragging a bit. My standard remedy has been to drink more water, eat lightly for a couple of days & longer runs after work. A couple of co-workers suggested the toxin theory, and the debate started. I was asking because I was interested. I'm still undecided as to any benefit of any of the products or techiques discussed. I feel education is beneficial and that's what I was aiming for.

So again anon, What "huge impact" on my life are you refering to? What "many problems" are you refering to?

Do tell.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 11:54:21 AM PST
Fisher says:
Did I say conspire? Or that medicine should be socialized? I don't take any pharmaceutical drugs so their safety doesn't affect me directly, but they sure are putting a huge strain on Medicare and our government with their outrageous profits I also think they are getting too free with the approvals for more drugs. If "cleanse" infomercials are guilty of taking consumers money and not giving a safe, effective, reasonably priced product in return, then the Drug companies are just as guilty. So where is your condemnation for the Drug companies as scam artists? They seem to me to be the best at their craft.

I don't consider the giant ladder a scam, just an example of an infomercial product. My husband has one since he is a painter and he depends on it. It was a joke. Sorry I had to explain that to you. As far as HRC goes, anything but George is a step in the right direction.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 12:39:52 PM PST
"It was a joke."
I got it the first time. I just said that for the sake of others that might read your post.
"Sorry I had to explain that to you."
Well, ya know, Sandi, that we conservatives have to have things explained to us in the corrective, prescriptive, and extremely patient manner that liberals are so good at.
"As far as HRC goes, anything but George is a step in the right direction."
Gee, I couldn't have guessed.

In case you're interested, I'm not pleased with a lot of the marketing efforts of drug companies. But if you reduce their profits to nil, who'll be developing drugs? You didn't answer my question about what will happen when medicine and drugs are socialized. No you didn't say it, but I just know that in your great big tolerant liberal heart you'd favor it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 1:05:55 PM PST
This discussion is quite possibly one of the most hilarious arguments I have ever seen on an Amazon forum.

I can't decide if I should go out and buy a copper bracelet for my wrist. I've heard they help with energy and metabolic function. Then again, I'm almost sold on a colon cleansing.

There have been a couple of Discovery programs that address holistic medicine and/or colon cleansing, and colon cleansing has been pretty much debunked. But hey, if it works for Oprah?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 1:11:28 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 6, 2007 1:31:39 PM PST
Fisher says:
The name calling is like grade school. In the second sentence of my post I say I don't think medicine should be socialized. I believe it would be a disaster. Suggesting I would support reducing the profits to nil for Drug companies is silly. Stopping Drug companies from unfairly charging outrageous prices for drugs to seniors and people who need them is important though. As is putting an end to the outrageous prices for Drugs to Medicare and Insurance companies, when the costs are just passed on to us in premiums. Marketing their Drugs directly to consumers in ad after ad on the TV is nauseating. Is a happy medium too much to ask? Or does it have to be the Drug Companies get extremely rich by taking advantage of their position in life or death situations?

I happen not to approve of George Bush (and I am far from alone.) I may very well vote for a level headed Republican. What is in my heart is fairness and yes, tolerance, which seems to be in short supply for some in this discussion. I do find it amusing though that you say big tolerant liberal heart as if that would be an insult.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 2:04:02 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 2:10:28 PM PST
Kara: Glad you enjoyed it.
Yeah, those copper bracelets work miracles, such as turning your arm green. Everyone should get one. Also get one of those bracelets with the magnets for the other arm and a pair of those insoles with magnets. They ionize your blood, increasing its energy (or something along that line).
God, P.T. Barnum would have a field day!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 2:13:11 PM PST
stay alive and let your body get on with it's job

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 2:37:10 PM PST
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Fisher says:
I would be shocked to see the Republican Party give Rudy the nomination. Too liberal for their taste. I am undecided at this point. No one candidate seems to be a complete package, have it all together. In any of the parties. Maybe we could have them debate on Amazon.

I think banning direct advertising of Drugs to consumers is crucial. One reason is selfish -the pure aggravation of seeing yet another cholesterol ad. No ads could bring prices down. Non advertised products generally cost less. Also, we don't see cigarette ads or liquor ads on TV why should we have to be inundated with Drug ads? Why should Drug companies be able to market direct when the consumer still has to go to their Dr to get a script? Oil prices, cigarette prices, liquor prices even crop commodities are all regulated to some extent by the government. Why should Drugs be exempt from this oversight? For some reason Drug companies seem to be able to make the rules instead of follow them. That worries me. That and the direction of their research. The most profitable drugs are lifestyle drugs, B.Pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, so they put all their resources into them. Cancer is huge business. Not to mention Viagra type medications. Research on rare genetic diseases (not profitable enough) and searching for actual cures for disease has taken a back seat to the mother load of money to be made from chronic disease. It makes me wonder if anyone in big business has a conscience anymore.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 3:59:15 PM PST
Whole body clense is a excellent detox program to use. you can get it at gnc or walmart and amazon may have it too.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 4:58:12 PM PST
happytobeme says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2007 5:09:47 PM PST
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Jr2000 says:
READ THIS before "DETOXIFYING" yourself. From a medical doctor, I have a few words of very simple advice for you. 1) Be your optimal weight -- if you are too fat, exercise and eat less. 2) DO NOT USE TOBACCO 3) Drink alcohol in moderation only 4) See your doctor for your regular screening exams and immunizations (mammograms, colonoscopy, diabetes screening, flu shot). 5) Take care of your mental health. If you are doing all of these things perfectly, then we can talk about alternative medicine (and by that time you will feel so healthy that you won't want to spend money on it).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2007 4:20:04 AM PST
Now that this string has been degraded into a political discussion...!

The original content revolved around cleanses. Earlier, I posted a list debunking the various methodologies of "cleansing". To the best of my knowledge, no one has refuted the fact that the ideas are based on nonsense.

The evil corporations aside (and they are evil) what evidence does anyone have that a... for example, liver cleanse actually does anything?
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